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That “become” part is misleading, more of a relative untangling of the relative added, to see that it was always absolute. Someone else can not become enlightened. Could a _________ (some thing) become enlightened (no thing)? No.

Lot of layers.

A pop up book.

@Grant NZ ?? Watch the movie Patriot’s Day. I’d be interested to know if you found some relief and a change of perspective.

The suffering is the not wanting. What do you want? Start your dream board. This could be the first day of a completely new life. One in which you blow the doors of this place.

Sneaky.

@ardacigin Have you even taken a psychedelic?

@Mondsee Awesome. ?

@Grant NZ I have a hunch this won’t go over well, but I’d suggest looking into fear & suffering deconstruction, rather than pain.

Yes, for sure. I once experienced a rather peculiar lion expressing it’s counterintuitive situation of actually lacking in self assured ness & courage, and being on his path to go see The One, to get it.

So this. ♥️

@Grant NZ Highly doubtful, but I honestly don’t know as it’s just a thought. I believe it’d hurt pretty badly until shock kicked in and I passed out. I have broken many bones and found that the more intense the injury, the less severe the pain. When I broke my collar bones playing hockey & football there was no pain at all. Instant numbness. Smashed my entire thumb once between a mini bike and a boulder. It was literally hanging from my hand like a wet rag, no pain at all. After the surgery, pins, etc, it hurt like hell for a day. I can readily honestly say, I’d rather go through ever injury I’ve ever encountered again, than have monkey mind. Have you actually experienced the tortures you refer to, or is this suffering of the mind?

@ivankiss Thanks God.

@Grant NZ You might want to read up on pain vs suffering.

@Nivsch Maybe the best thing you can do here is really hone in on that you are talking about a thought.

@Raptorsin7 There’s all the advice needed on this thread. ?? Overall, more letting go, les goaling and efforting.

@Thewritersunion ??

That makes everything possible for you. Keep askin. Death is hard to contemplate, because it’s like the word nonexistence. If it can lead anywhere, it’s to a good hearty laugh. Imagine lucid dreaming, knowing you are asleep and in your dream, and doing whatever you want in the dream - but worrying that you’re going to eventually wake up. Same thing goin on. It’s not possible to actually justify worrying, let alone that it is something.

@The Don ?? Stay strong bro (and vulnerable ) I’d ‘frame it up’ just a pinch differently, in that the sensation - that there is sensation - does not come and go. As such, there are not mood swings, but rather, thoughts added to that sensation, which is ever-present, doing what sensation does, and washing you clean of all the barriers (thoughts) against it. Love does not come & go, and is the purifying force of ever corner of the cosmos, and it’s got you too.

On understanding. They said “your daddy, he robbed a liquor store”, like he answered to me. “And all his money, was taken by the court”, they left nothin, for me. I heard em say “don’t bother, you know it’s in his blood”, but I want nothin, for free, so take your wisdom, and take your broken sword, and cut his life out of me. Cause love ain’t nothin, it’s just a lock on a bedroom door, and it’s got nothin, on me. Love ain’t nothin, it’s just what holidays are for, another card you sent to me. “Ya your daddy was a reckless man, he was a vagabond, he had tattooed hands” but his old man, was somethin like you’ve never seen. Where I’ll go and where I come from - God rest his soul, he didn’t help me none. He was a million bottles, and one great lie to me. He’d get in my face, tell me to hang it up - I got a lot of days, and I won’t stop - until I’m on top. Cause love ain’t nothin, it’s just a lock on a bedroom door, it’s got nothin, on me. Love ain’t nothin, it’s just what holidays are for, another card you sent to me.

@Raptorsin7 If you had an experience, and it did not feel good - would you attempt to protect yourself, from this not feeling good - happening again?

I say you’re a liar! you only love me more, I set your book on fire! you open every door, I say I can’t take it! you say give it to me, and love is resurrected, I fall upon my knees. Why are you so spiteful! why won’t you let me be! And you make me insightful, breathe life into my dreams. And I am wanting more! I want everything! I want to move mountains! I want to be the king! Of love I am bereft! It shakes me to the core! When I’ve nothing left, you reign upon me more. I know what is best! and you are my relief, but when I give my best, you’re every part of me.