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@Llight It’s seems that you are mistaking your thoughts about what people think for what people think. Might be worth inspecting, and trying listening out, imo.

@Llight The two are the same. There is a perspective that they aren’t.

@Llight Yes, you made that point already. You didn’t answer my question though.

@Llight What if you are talking about you? Does the perspective change at all?

What do you feel limits you / perspective?

Fear is love we didn’t listen to. Never to late to get the message.

What is it you’re doing here, now? Notice the tendency toward the thinking, such as this thread, away from feeling. That is the very perpetuation of suffering. In the sense, suffering is the avoidance, of feeling. It’s the “there’s a monster in the closet”...which sucks, and continues to be the experience. Unless of course, you look in the closet. Then you find laughter, because there’s no such thing as monsters, or suffering. The closet is empty, and feels wonderful. Imo, the word “closet” if you will, is interchangeable with, “depersonalization”. Again, just in my opinion...that’s all that is transpiring here. If you take that label away, and look, no more “depersonalization”, and no more suffering.

@weareacouple Thanks for sharing. When I referred to The Mindfuck, I am not talking about anything to do with sex. I’m referring to what could be said to be outside of what you refer to as reality. If you’re willing to share, as I know it’s about as intimate of a question as can be asked.... What is the “fallout”? What problems, if any, are you and he experiencing? As in, the reason this sex addiction is a problem is _______________.

On the knowing, known, knower...notice this in plain sight in such light examples as Silent & Listen, are the same. What doesn’t move or change, is that I. Such is the knowing, the known, and the knower. Silence is listening, listening is silence. Remove the letters, the I too, and they are exactly the same “thing”. Is there knowing but no knower? (Dual thought) Is there a knower but no knowing? (Dual thought) Is the thought known in and of itself? (No duality) In the same color... Silly analogies are laughed off in the zen room. Zen rooms are laughed off by silly analogies. But only because there is no I in zen. Takes a few approaches to get that which can not be got. Here’s a great video in which this plays out. The relevant point is at 1:12, when “Rupert” points to that which can not be pointed to, if you will. But don’t skip to that point in the video. If you don’t listen to the hour of justifications A.H. makes prior to this, combined with noticing he still didn’t “get it” after Rupert points it out to him so kindly...then the realization would likely be missed. It’s doubly interesting if after, you watch the entire beginning again...in ‘the light’. It shines on the infinite level of sneakery at play in us all. https://youtu.be/OVowtc-5vxg

@weareacouple Thanks for sharing another story, they are interesting...but do you have an answer to my question, or no? Perhaps there is no addiction, but a cover for the voyerisom being read here? If so, there’s no problem with wanting people to know how great your sex life is. If that statement is unsettling....how, why? That likely brings to mind the more obvious question....exactly who are these people you speak of, who say sex porn & masturbation is “bad behavior”? I’m wondering, if those are natural & fine, and a lens of “Biblical” is what’s underlying. Biblical, or an interpretation of the Bible, is often paradoxically used, to judge others or one’s self. What if the Bible has no truth at all, but it makes the sex feel taboo, in believing that it inherently does? This would kick the voyerisom up a notch, relative to your perspective of your friends which “judge you”. Maybe they aren’t. In that case, there is also no problem, no “addiction”, sans to diversion perhaps. But no one else is harmed in this. If any of this is resonating, maybe there’s a loop...I judge, project, rectify (feel better about it via sex), then judge self for that ...repeat. Maybe not. Actually, definitely not. Also, somewhat related to this...have you experienced The Mindfuck? The reality sized one? If so, in terms of feeling, sensation, consciousness daily, how would you compare this “after life” of it, to the pleasure of the almost constant sex?

@Lynnel I remember the days when I’d say, “tell me the actual truth of what I’m missing here...don’t hold a single punch”. I remember prior to that stage, laying disclaimers, so people would just be nice to me, so I wouldn’t feel hurt. In hindsight, it must have been difficult for some people to watch me cut my own hands off.

@fork You are the higher consciousness already. Thoughts, arise “from” / “within”, you. When the next thought to say something arises, instead of reacting, just let it go. Watch a rock, until every thought ‘empties’, for example. Thoughts about the rock arise, and go. Thoughts about life, me, etc, arise & go, like helium filled balloons floating away. Eventually, with every balloon let go, helium is directly ‘experienced’, and so is “it’s” source.

@trenton Beautiful.

@pluto ?♥️

@TheAvatarState I hear ya. I not only understand, I experienced the same thing directly. I also communicated it and wanted to be understood as well. No worries. Hope I didn’t offend you. ♥️ I found my misunderstanding of a few feelings, kept the patterns going.

@weareacouple Welcome to the forum What distinctions do you guys make from ‘we have a healthy sex life’, to arrive at ‘we have an addiction’?

@DreamScape ♥️?? Even...is the knowing.

@mandyjw ?. Nailed it.

@DreamScape How do you know (as in, how is it that knowing is possible)

@mandyjw It strikes me as another pointer to judgement. More directly & specifically though, imo, it points to the “issue” of objective really, and cuts through with ’the sword’, that indeed God is the son of man.

@DreamScape Of the knower, knowing, and known, which seems less God?

@DreamScape What would it be curious about?

@Ibn Sina I think you’re shining a light on both the true innocence of love and the illusion there are two of them. If love was born in place of the girl, yet into the exact same life, it too would be loving what she is loving.

@zudrush I wish you the best, it’ll all work out. ??

@mandyjw I gotta be more mindful It’s written like I’m saying that about you, but I meant it like, about the subject and meant to be sharing the thought with you. Lol. And now I’m laughing because THAT is how sneaky it is! ??? No wonder we just say “Oh my God!”. ? Nothin else will do!