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The feeling might be in regards to the way you are thinking, rather than inherent in the content, or the ‘things’ you’re thinking about. “Wait, what do you actually mean? Could you elaborate on this further?” If you think about cutting your fingers off...sensation wise, feeling is “not good”. But, sensation is actually Good. As in, the feeling is guidance, saying, “no, don’t cut your fingers off”. So, you wouldn’t do it. If you think about someone being sad, it is actually your thought about someone else, which sensation is responding to. So, you would choose a better feeling thought. Suffering is that sneaky. The content of the thought seems to be true. The actuality is that you are choosing a thought, which does not feel good to you, and using the thought / “someone is sad”, to justify ignoring the sensation (feeling / guidance). When we ‘go to’ the feeling, as the guidance that it is, there is simply the letting go of the thought which doesn’t resonate with us. When we ‘hang on to the thought’ / ‘believe the thought’, in spite of the guidance of feeling...we suffer. When the body is releasing suppressed feeling....and we believe the thought about it...we then label the feeling guidance fear...and miss the opportunity to be free of the “bad feeling”. (Which isn’t actually a bad feeling at all - that is just the thought about it) Or...something happens, I don’t understand the feelings...so I create identity...thoughts & beliefs about who I am and how the world is...which doesn’t feel good. It doesn’t feel good or right to me, but I did it anyways, I believe this about me anyways. Later, I am older, a bit more knowledgeable & conscious...and this old identity (beliefs) come up. If I continue to believe the thoughts, I continue to suffer. If I stop believing the thoughts, the feeling ‘purges’ via love, and the understanding about what happened, arises. As a testament to how sneaky thought can be....I might be thinking about “free will”, “God”, all kinds of existential stuff....virtually anything other than - “wait...maybe....I was wrong in the very first place...about how I understood thought & feelings”. Maybe this is what people are talking about when they say “attachment” to thoughts is suffering. Maybe, you’re sort of attempting to “detach from yourself”.....when what would end the suffering, is just not longer believing those thoughts about yourself. (Simply...because they don’t feel good to you. The real You...not thoughts about you.) ♥️ Thought could be sooo sneaky....that I get “busy” believing the thought “there is no free will”.....rather than just seeing I can let this thought which doesn’t feel good, go.

@Beginner Mind The you aware of sensation (feet, palms) is awareness. Fisherman are fishing, dog sitters are dog sitting - awareness is aware. It’s that simple. Awareness did not find a separate self, an “ I “. Simple. You are already obviously the awareness. Now notice you don’t have to believe thoughts, like “my “. Or “feet”. Or “palms”. Meditation is for letting go of thoughts, making it easier and easier to discontinue the old paradigm, of believing them. Of course, as you let go of believing the thoughts, and concepts...attachment, identity...you actually “become” / experience...The Beginner’s Mind. Is everything always working out for you or what?! Nice.

God said don’t eat of the tree of good & evil (judgement) and of course we did, and created suffering (duality; good & evil). So we would never miss this again, he put a flaming sword pointing to the tree of life. We still judged each other anyway. It got so bad he cleared the whole earth with a flood for a do over, and created the covenant; he won’t wipe us out again, & we remember who we really are (don’t judge each other). He even created rainbows as a reminder, just in case we forget. They’re so beautiful, the whole spectrum, such a blatant indicator. But we kept judging each other anyways. Then he gave his ‘only son’ to the ‘children of God’. Then we judged him too and nailed him to a cross. So one interpretation is the two lines are duality, and his death reminds us not to judge each together via adding good & evil to perception...that it is pointless & ”untenable”. In remembering his death, and His (God’s) message, he ‘died for our sins’ already, so, there’s no need to look for sins in each other, no need to judge each other - just focus on your own life, ‘eat of the tree of life’ instead. Feel the burn of the sword, and go in the direction it points. Yet we keep judging each other. Judgement is such that God’s heavy hand of the flood, the unmissable sword (the “burn” of the Truth / suffering), and his selfless sacrifice of ‘his only son’ (God “Himself”), could not prevent it. The cross could be said to serve as the reminder to you, that Judgement or Love, is always - “in your hands”...which are not nailed to that cross, nor does another’s need to be again. Or more simply, as some wiseman once said... “Ignorance and love”. “Know thy self.” Socrates Judgement, like creating, is so profoundly simple that the difficulty seems to lie in the willingness to become aware that we already are, rather than things to be learned or begun. The “tricky” or “sneaky” thing is that there’s no such thing as a “Christian symbol”. When seen that way, the message from you, to you, is in risk of being missed entirely, via doing the very thing the symbol warns against. The “problem” could be said to be that all meaning for any word or symbol, you yourself are creating right now. The symbol could be said to address this very issue, but then again, that’d be up to you. Imo, just like thought loops are broken by feeling, judgement can never withstand love. "In generosity and helping others, be like a river In compassion and grace, be like the sun In concealing other's faults, be like the night... ...Don't treat me as a stranger, I am your neighbor. My house is close to yours. I may look different, by my heart is good. My inside is shining even if my sayings are obscure." - Rumi Precisely because it is not symbolic.

Have you inspected the thoughts / beliefs? With thoughts aside, in ‘going to the sensation itself’, it is not terror. Thought is infinity sneaky you know. You made it but it wasn’t yours? ...maybe there was the experience of choice, but no separate individual chooser...? Notice the subtle revealing of identification with the body...”trapped in my body”. It’s possible that is “the terror”, and inspecting that liberates that. There’s a lot of relief in acknowledging the sneakiness. It can never be beat. Competing only flares it up more. “It takes two to tango”. To experience life, free will & to create. What’d that ‘resolve’ look like btw? Why do they have to “be yours” to enjoy the journey? Does there need to be meaning imposed upon you for you to thrive, love, and enjoy life? There might be some tango going on here. If meaning was imposed upon you, there’d be no free will. If there isn’t meaning imposed upon you, there’s no free will. You can find fault, or liberation, in either perspective, but I’d consider seeing that both are equally true & false by contemplating them more deeply. The feeling might be in regards to the way you are thinking, rather than inherent in the content, or the ‘things’ you’re thinking about. If that was the case, there’d be no sadness upon noticing it. At least not without knowing you’re creating the experience of sadness. That’s judgement. It really doesn’t ever pan out. The first chapter of the Bible is really great for communicating just how true this is.

@Beginner Mind You already brought it to the foot and palms. Same for the heart.

To someone who is overly selfless a lot of spirituality and nondual ‘stuff’ would sound so backwards. There’s really no message of ‘you actually need more selfishness’ in it. I’ve come across people that do though. Very rare, ironic and imo intriguing.

@Beginner Mind ??

@Beginner Mind I don’t mean to be pushy, but how do you feel about simply doing it right now for a few minutes? If so, what did you find?

@Javfly33 Sorry...was just kidding, playing on the taming the ox jokes. The comment wasn’t about you. I’ll be a little more careful. ??

Teir 2 sneakery.

@DreamScape Hey, welcome back. ??

@Strangeloop How do you distinguish the dream, from reality / “real life”? (Not a thread derailing btw / ‘same thing’)

@capriciousduck No. I’d make a dream board, and write every single thought of any & everything that arises, that you want in this life, on it. All thought trains leave and eventually land back at the grand central station, which is you. Thinking will never be feeling & creating, because a thought is the very means of creation.

@Strangeloop If you woke up in the morning remembering last night’s dream, was there any form in it, or was it mind?

Inspect the thoughts about yourself, which are not true. Then, there will no longer be the monkey mind, trying to resolve in thinking - truth which can only be felt in alignment.

@capriciousduck When a thought “takes you away from motivation”, inspect that thought / belief. The feeling of “demotivation”, is Truth revealing that thought about you, or reality, or “the world”...is not true. Keep aligning thought & feeling, with feeling as the guide / leader. Always be willing to let go of a thought which doesn’t feel good.

Always seems weird how the ego in demeaning labels is so readily missed. (Buddy, “my friend”, etc, used like that)

@wk197 It’d be anyone who isn’t holding (believing) your beliefs. You’ll experience “them knowing a higher truth”...but missing, they’re simply just not holding your belief.

Then drop it. It was never right. ♥️ Feeling (Truth) tells you this, loud & clear. Instead of believing & reinforcing your idea (of “death”)...inspect it.

@oMarcos I’d YouTube it and get a few different views, but in a broad stroke it’s a handful of beliefs identified with, which leave us operating from a limited place. Each one limits in it’s way, and was created to make sense of a feeling, which was misunderstood innocently to begin with. The intellect weaves identity to cope, “making sense” of feeling, and in doing so a misunderstanding / belief is perpetuated, and the feeling is suppressed. Beliefs are only beliefs, and can never continue through the light of awareness / inspection. The misunderstood / suppressed feelings are released, understanding arises, and the patterned habits freed, along with the idea of self they were “protecting” (self of course needs no protection). The mind was working overtime trying to “accomadate” or “make sense of” self & reality, while holding onto the beliefs. Inspecting, releasing the beliefs...there’s little to think about, or “keep in order”. And of course, one feels a new “tier” of feeling, wholeness, confidence, conviction, assured-ness, etc. The suppression or ignoring of the feeling is done by labeling feeling “depression”....and believing the thoughts...rather than listening to the feeling. Again, in total innocence. The feeling was true, the thoughts were never true to begin with. No thought about me can ever be true...because there is simply no getting around the fact that I am what is aware of , the thought. And what is aware? Awareness, of course. Awareness...is aware. The thought “my”, enables the belief “my stuff”. By believing in “my stuff” ....one is indirectly imposing a limiting self belief...”I am the separate self...separate from my stuff”. The intellect (sneaky) will attempt to overdue “keeping all the stuff in order” to maintain the facade of belief in “me, the fragmented, separate self”. The belief is only ‘kept alive’ by being recreated over and over now. That is only possible, by not inspecting the belief and releasing the suppressed feelings. These suppressed feelings (over years), tend to feel like a mountain, and then in the same manor we labelled feeling “depression” for lack of inspecting the feeling in the beginning...we then label feeling “fear”. Meanwhile, all along, there is no such thing as depression, or fear. It was all ‘at the hand’ of beliefs of identity, we completely, made up. That “mountain” always was, is, and always will be...actually... love. Some people, use drugs to maintain the suppression of these feelings. In kind, one in their presence / environment, who does not understand...”understands” like the person they’re around. Said another way, they adopt the same misunderstanding of feeling, as their exampler (parent) sets. To expedite & bring up deeper / clearer understanding, make it all most relevant to your life, by extracting from the inspection everything you know you don’t want, and write that on a pad of paper. Then from that, extract everything you do want, and write it on your dream board. Expanded emotional intelligence, as well as the building of true passion for your creating, are the natural outcome of this.

@Beginner Mind Become aware of the I. Bring awareness to the bottoms of your feet, then the palms of your hands, then the I.

@Pilgrim How did the soul get wounded in the first place? Not so much ‘we’re’ born with it...but it terms of the soul...? “I wonder if someone who was able to detangle their ego, would still suffer from these wounds? “ Who’d be suffering? God? (‘Untangled ego’ = No “someone”.) “Or if they are only existent because of the ingrained beliefs.. and if we stop having these beliefs, then the soul would be free of these wounds? So the soul then would kind of store the ingrained beliefs of the ego. There is also so much channeled material, where the existence of souls is claimed. I really start to wonder if there is a part of essence in each of us which evolves over time? But I am simultaneously highly sceptical of it as well.. “ What would you think of telling a six year old there’s no Santa? What would you think of a sixty year old who genuinely adamantly believes in Santa? (Not in terms of judgement of them, but in relation to the thread inquiry.) Can you describe these wounds, without duality? “REJECTION, ABANDONMENT, HUMILIATION, BETRAYAL and INJUSTICE”

@Preety_India What’s the difference between spirituality, quantum mechanics, reality, a garden hose, tweezers, and you? (When / if a thought / response arises...label it “thought” and shoot it in the waste paper basket like a crumpled piece of paper, and then maybe consider reading the question again ♥️)