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@electroBeam I can’t argue with that. (I resonate with it too much )

Ya for Norway! Wake up Americans!

@electroBeam Not sure that comment had your “highest & best” in it man. ?? The intention probably felt better than the sentiment.

@ardacigin I appreciate your response, thanks. I’m not sure if you’re hearing where I’m coming from on this though. I offered the consideration, that one way to go, could be to drop all of the practices & their instruction / concepts completely. In your reply, it seems you summarized that as a practice (do nothing). Is there a chance that, in your diligence of discipline, you might have to a small extent, contextualized that which is abundantly here now, into a result which can only come from one’s deservedness, via practices?

@Mongu9719 This is going to initially sound odd, but how do you feel when reading these statements? Some might not resonate, and even feel off-putting. If there’s any “triggering” experience, what is the emotion which arises? ”I’ve never actually faced any criticism from friends & family. We just missed, in the heat of a moment, that where each of us is at on our path, is precisely where we “should” be...it is what is...maybe we expected otherwise, and maybe we kinda of ‘paid the price’ for that misunderstanding”. ”Maybe I’m taking where someone else is at, and where people I know are at, and where I’m at...and expecting things to be other than they are, as if there was a “right way”, a “right teaching”, a “correct objective view”, etc. This leaves me feeling some kind of worry, as if I need to figure out which is the “right”, or “rational way”, or “correct way”. “I don’t want to suffer like the people I keep coming across in my life”. “I don’t want to talk about over thinking, nor self referential thinking. I don’t like when people talk about that”. “I notice sometimes I am so moved & inspired, that I end up frustrated when others don’t accept my understanding”. ”I sometimes notice that I see people through a lens of sameness, but also sometimes through a lens of labeling them, or pigeonholing them, or, differences”. ”My understanding of why stage blue is often offended by stage green, is really clear. I enjoy the feeling of harmony I experience with my understanding of spiral dynamics. I’m so glad I took the time to better understand myself and others, and how we are all connected”. ”Occasionally, I expect people to change to be like me, but then I remember we’re all the same, and we choose different thoughts, and I have a hearty relieving laugh about it all”. ”No one will ever be able to relate to awakening, who has not yet awakened”. ”I relish in putting how I feel, before anything I think or say. The effortlessness of life has been revealed to me, and it is pure joy”. ”If I had the last brownie on earth, and couldn’t share it with anyone - I’d eat it, and enjoy the heck out of it, with a big smile on my face”.

The ‘lowered vibration’ is a way of saying... the coffee is just the coffee, the feeling is in response to the thought about coffee.

@Mongu9719 Appreciating the vulnerability in expression there. I feel like you have a lot of clarity with what’s ‘going on with you’, but are wrapping it all around the one thing which just won’t resonate, if you will. Do you think / feel, there’s a chance that you are hearing from teachers who are communicating from a place of ‘having gone full circle’ on some things...but it doesn’t jive with you? As in, some full circle revelations, when interpreted at the ‘half circle’ so to speak, just, feel the opposite of what the teacher’s intention appears to be? Is this making any sense?

@deso The core of everyone of us is a resonance that feels a bit like “you are an immeasurably worthy, deserving & loved creator”. Every single thought which is in contrast to this, or to the contrary of this inner being / inner truth, is what we commonly call ‘negative feelings’. It is because we are all unconditional at our core, at the very source of us, that such conditional thoughts about ourselves feel so ‘out of place’, to put it lightly. I’ve been there, and I’d love to talk with you from the place of having understood & transcended it, leaving a genuine desire to help you to do the same. I think you’d be pleasantly shocked at how a little inspection and understanding of what’s going on in terms of thought, feeling, and who you really are can change the entirety of life experience in a profound, virtually effortless, and very joyful, manor. It’s amazing, the difference perspective makes. If you want to consider a new one, happy to help. Be careful with buying into any thinking that things won’t change btw. That ‘this is as good as it gets’. Sometimes we ‘size up’ the rest of our life, from a rough patch or place when we’re young, because we just can’t seem to process things clearly, but it is the nature of suffering which tells us that we can do precisely this. It is the nature of compassion that you are not alone, and we are all in this together. It’s a lot to carry one’s burdens for so long. Simply in energetic resonance, let alone in talking, everything can change in the most surprising and wonderful ways. Your post is entitled ‘please help me’. Let’s do that. There’s no ask, nothing expected ‘in return’. NASCAR drivers drive cars. This is my favorite thing to do. Love you, and I hope you feel “This Peace” asap.

@Mongu9719 Thanks. How’d you feel? I mean, obviously that wasn’t a great experience, but were you able to feel any nuances, emotionally speaking? If you’re willing, can you name two or three emotions that you are experiencing? I’m wondering if the interaction left a trail of breadcrumbs, some unrest in feeling or unsettled energy, which can now be understood, to ‘extract the juice’ of this, such that there is no reoccurrence of this scene, and no discord in your vibration.

@ardacigin I know it’s pigeonholed, no implication to reply. ♥️ Fantastic, intimate read. Delightful share, thank you, really. My advice, which might be heard because you don’t like how it sounds (maybe, idk).... Drop spirituality entirely. Total 180. Every word, every practice, any plan, all the vernacular, all the teachers, practices, etc. Drop the whole thing, and inspect every thought about it right out of the mind. Imo, some things are going to surface and empty right on out, and ‘you’ll be’ ‘where’ the whole thing is about being. Or don’t of course, it’s just a suggestion.

@EternalForest Sometimes we innocently pick up a bogus belief at a foundational level, and it webs up through and ‘rears it’s head’ in ways seemingly unrelated.

@Mongu9719 Can you give some details, some examples of what was said, what’s going on?

@ErikaLayne A fellow practitioner It is all because there is no finite in infinite, with a layer of every reference is relative. There is no random people or others. There is certainly no need for any crisis. We all experience one thought at a time. So any complicated theory is already false. Each one is the one, so there’s no contingency on another. But there is the forgetting....and compassion, helping, as I trust you know well.

@billiesimon You can’t actually not be present.

@PlayOnWords Basically yes. Cleaning up the psychology is great, but it can never release. Only the body releases.

@Adodd I hear ya. Nice. Sounds like what I think Vipassana refers to as the subtle body / bliss. I like ‘inner being’. By any chance, do you notice a subtle taste / feeling in your gums, and does it have a tinge of nitrous feeling, and or the feeling of drinking Kombucha? If not, that probably sounds nuts but I’m curious. Thanks.

@billiesimon Yeah. It’s good though. A new to you stretch of path perhaps, but it’s very much on the path. This is ‘the ox’ sighting, if you will. Noticing how the mind (ox) “get’s away from us” so to speak, how sneaky the believing of thoughts is. It’s a great and pivotal place to be. If you believe thoughts which do not feel good, inspect that. Be very careful painting any picture about how a thought should or shouldn’t feel, according to thought / thinking. That would be believing the thought, and judging the feeling as “not good”. Listen to the feeling instead, and consider every thought ‘suspect’ with regards to truth, and inspect each thought. Eventually, you don’t experience ‘not good feeling’ thoughts, including the memory of. Again, be careful about painting a color on it, that’s how sneaky the believing of a thought is. If you notice a perspective of ‘this sucks’ arising...notice our one at a time thought arises effortlessly, and feeling is effortless. So the thought / feeling “work”, is actually the “practice”, directly, of effortlessness. (No effort, is a, ‘no practice’). Don’t fall for the “it sucks” thought, feel the feeling. Labeling it, and using the emotional scale can be very helpful. Also, be really careful putting need....or...want....before the word, understand, or existential understanding. Notice the feeling of need & want. “I want x”. “I” is prior to the want, prior to the knowing of the wanting, and that which is wanted. Feels anywhere from content to exuberant / elated. ”I need x”. What is ‘needed’, is prior to “I”. There’s an implication “I” am short something, or lacking. Feels anywhere from boredom to hate. Add daily morning meditation and venturing to some healing modalities to that, and you’ll have a much smoother ride.

@billiesimon We experience one thought at a time. A thought is like a book. A thought is a thought. A book is a book. Also...you can open it up, start looking into it, even get very immersed in it. It is, nonetheless, just a book. Examples of thoughts; ego, consciousness, me, who, my, I’m, etc. You are aware of those thoughts. Only one at a time though.

That’s awesome.

That’s true. It’s not a “you guys” feature though. Your perspective is not objective, it’s subjective, but you are interpreting it as objective. This may clear up a lot. The perspectives and logic come and go, and are all different, but the sense, is most common. It’s an important distinction, at least until it isn’t. That was all I was saying with the original comment, that one’s idea of ‘normal’ is one’s idea.

@Llight I feel amazing. You may have assumed otherwise...? In any case, don’t feel bad about me, I really do feel great. I can’t even take credit for that though, imo, it’s ‘the common sense’.

I understand that it is, but I was asking ...how? Even if that were true, why would it make you feel bad?

How is reading someone else’s perspective making you feel bad? Yes I am happy. No. No. If by that you mean what you’re suggesting, then no. If you mean “how I am living”, then yes.

I believe I do, yes. I was saying imo, that is what denial is. Btw, the first thing you said in your thread was “if I miss something let me know”. I’m saying you’re missing common sense, as in, it doesn’t feel good. Maybe you mean a common belief?

@Llight Imo, “makes sense” = feels Good. Denial = feelings ignored.