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@EternalForest Sometimes we innocently pick up a bogus belief at a foundational level, and it webs up through and ‘rears it’s head’ in ways seemingly unrelated.

@Mongu9719 Can you give some details, some examples of what was said, what’s going on?

@ErikaLayne A fellow practitioner It is all because there is no finite in infinite, with a layer of every reference is relative. There is no random people or others. There is certainly no need for any crisis. We all experience one thought at a time. So any complicated theory is already false. Each one is the one, so there’s no contingency on another. But there is the forgetting....and compassion, helping, as I trust you know well.

@billiesimon You can’t actually not be present.

@PlayOnWords Basically yes. Cleaning up the psychology is great, but it can never release. Only the body releases.

@Adodd I hear ya. Nice. Sounds like what I think Vipassana refers to as the subtle body / bliss. I like ‘inner being’. By any chance, do you notice a subtle taste / feeling in your gums, and does it have a tinge of nitrous feeling, and or the feeling of drinking Kombucha? If not, that probably sounds nuts but I’m curious. Thanks.

@billiesimon Yeah. It’s good though. A new to you stretch of path perhaps, but it’s very much on the path. This is ‘the ox’ sighting, if you will. Noticing how the mind (ox) “get’s away from us” so to speak, how sneaky the believing of thoughts is. It’s a great and pivotal place to be. If you believe thoughts which do not feel good, inspect that. Be very careful painting any picture about how a thought should or shouldn’t feel, according to thought / thinking. That would be believing the thought, and judging the feeling as “not good”. Listen to the feeling instead, and consider every thought ‘suspect’ with regards to truth, and inspect each thought. Eventually, you don’t experience ‘not good feeling’ thoughts, including the memory of. Again, be careful about painting a color on it, that’s how sneaky the believing of a thought is. If you notice a perspective of ‘this sucks’ arising...notice our one at a time thought arises effortlessly, and feeling is effortless. So the thought / feeling “work”, is actually the “practice”, directly, of effortlessness. (No effort, is a, ‘no practice’). Don’t fall for the “it sucks” thought, feel the feeling. Labeling it, and using the emotional scale can be very helpful. Also, be really careful putting need....or...want....before the word, understand, or existential understanding. Notice the feeling of need & want. “I want x”. “I” is prior to the want, prior to the knowing of the wanting, and that which is wanted. Feels anywhere from content to exuberant / elated. ”I need x”. What is ‘needed’, is prior to “I”. There’s an implication “I” am short something, or lacking. Feels anywhere from boredom to hate. Add daily morning meditation and venturing to some healing modalities to that, and you’ll have a much smoother ride.

@billiesimon We experience one thought at a time. A thought is like a book. A thought is a thought. A book is a book. Also...you can open it up, start looking into it, even get very immersed in it. It is, nonetheless, just a book. Examples of thoughts; ego, consciousness, me, who, my, I’m, etc. You are aware of those thoughts. Only one at a time though.

That’s awesome.

That’s true. It’s not a “you guys” feature though. Your perspective is not objective, it’s subjective, but you are interpreting it as objective. This may clear up a lot. The perspectives and logic come and go, and are all different, but the sense, is most common. It’s an important distinction, at least until it isn’t. That was all I was saying with the original comment, that one’s idea of ‘normal’ is one’s idea.

@Llight I feel amazing. You may have assumed otherwise...? In any case, don’t feel bad about me, I really do feel great. I can’t even take credit for that though, imo, it’s ‘the common sense’.

I understand that it is, but I was asking ...how? Even if that were true, why would it make you feel bad?

How is reading someone else’s perspective making you feel bad? Yes I am happy. No. No. If by that you mean what you’re suggesting, then no. If you mean “how I am living”, then yes.

I believe I do, yes. I was saying imo, that is what denial is. Btw, the first thing you said in your thread was “if I miss something let me know”. I’m saying you’re missing common sense, as in, it doesn’t feel good. Maybe you mean a common belief?

@Llight Imo, “makes sense” = feels Good. Denial = feelings ignored.

@Llight That wasn’t a comment about you, it was about what you said. On a thread about percentage of population understanding, what is ‘cool’ and what is ‘common’ is on topic. Also, it’s not “hard” because it’s not what’s happening.

Yeah...why not?

@AwakenedSoul444 The mind body is itself the spontaneity.

@intotheblack Anytime ♥️

Indeed, but, ‘They know not what they do’. (It’s you)

@cotton-candy007 I’d first get understanding of the relationship between thought & feeling. Could save you decades. Without a proper frame of reference, what can be realized in an hr, could other wise never be realized in a lifetime. The “problem” or challenge of this, is we have a current thought / feeling paradigm, which is not working at full capacity, and doesn’t feel good...but one does not have that frame of reference, because it is the only paradigm they know.

Very insightful.

@Llight Cool.

That’s actually only your thought. You don’t know what anyone else thinks, or how they understand the relationship between how they feel and their thoughts. “Normal”, “”average”, these are useful for a lot, but they don’t apply to believing your thoughts. Judging one’s own thoughts is an impossible challenge, as they can not hurt you, a thought is just a thought. Ignoring the feeling, thought can seem like more that thought. But it’s not. “Sense” refers to sens-ation. Common sense, is putting feeling, before thoughts. This inherently sheds the very beliefs, and thus liberates one of the suffering. To me, that comment you made sounds like “well if you’d see it my way, you’d know how bad it feels”. Sense is so common, it’s infinitely abundant...but can also be suppressed by thinking / believing thoughts.

@Son of leo Take a minute now, and write the exact opposite thoughts...? See for yourself that you can change how you look at things, you’ll inevitably find you can have your cake and eat it to. Want, rather than need, is the doorway to noticing attachment to thought. “I might want them to see things my way....but I sure as heck don’t need them to.” You can do, be, and have anything you dream up. Notice when thoughts feel resistant and stop, and inspect the thought / feeling relationship. Never ignore the feeling and believe the thought. How bout starting a dream board? Just having fun, day dreaming, wishful thinking...getting everything you want up on the board. Not doing any of it, not even thinking of doing any of it. The sole purpose, just being to express it in a fun playful way.