Nahm

Maybe you shouldn’t.

@Zeroguy

The truth is you’re not telling a story about yourself… you’re believing thoughts, aka, experiencing thought attachment, or, ‘the matrix’. When you’ve had enough suffering, you’ll meditate each morning and the matrix will naturally come to rest and end, and liberation is. It’s just a story. A discordant one. But try every thing until it is unequivocally seen that neither trying nor things will do. Until it is fully seen the things you say, don’t even feel good to you, and thus you create the suffering. Misery loves company. Truth loves being alone & does not know company. You can not convince others to suffer enough, to sympathize enough, to attend enough, to enable enough, to commiserate enough, to understand enough, to support enough, to love enough, to bring an end to your suffering. We all wish sometimes perhaps, but it is not so. You love.

@Raptorsin7 Thank you! ?

Meditation. Consciousness is not an output or product of people. People can not be more conscious. This is just conjecture. Therapy is for expression, for you to empty of you - not to make you more conscious.

You’re blind though. By the tension. That’s a belief. Who is just an idea of Horton’s. I wouldn’t do ya like that my good man. Meditation. Discord isn’t fundamental.

@Raptorsin7 You’re referring to idea, and you have much honesty to go. If what you say here is true, you’d not be talking about relaxation, you’d be blissed out right now. Advising can be aversion, and almost always is. Advising is therein reduced to just another substance. Simply inspect intention. Feel into the discord which was and is prior to the conceived intention, vs employing the intention in discord believing it will resolve, the discord. Then, it is seen relaxation was always ‘there’, the default, and it is you who is creating the tension. Not the dishonestly proclaimed you, the idea. The idea & the separate self are one in the same. Expression.

@Raptorsin7 Then who are you talking about?

@4201 In the bible, it is suggested when you find yourself eating the fruit of the knowledge of good & bad and feeling the burn, to listen to the sword (truth which cuts through all) which points you to the tree of life, of what you want, in your life. Grounding Meditation. Dreamboard. (*only for kindergarteners!)

That’s too cryptic. ⬆️ There are three awarenesses, and a spectrum? Very confusing. Maybe we don’t need to think about it at all to have this discussion. Maybe there’s some beliefs there. Nahm never gave you advice about ‘stopping thought’. There was less projection at the drive in. @Raptorsin7 ”I don’t ever feel truly relaxed.” ? “who?” ?

If you are having awakenings, it’s not really awakening it’s spiritual ego… experience(s) being labelled awakening(s) and identified by. Conjecture. With ‘real’ or ‘actual’ awakening, there’s no identity, no thoughts therein, and thus there isn’t the craving & aversion. Cessation. That meditation takes too long, and that God could be experienced, are thoughts which are let go in meditation.

The matrix.

Meditation is relaxing and is not rigorous, and doing so each morning is choosing to put how you feel before what you think. ?? No “nonduality teacher” can be a supplement for meditation. This is aversion. When one gets tired enough of the ups & downs, one meditates each morning. This slows the thought activity, which is the “ups & downs”, the suffering. No thought about meditation is actually about meditation. It’s always a belief / projection or ‘pointing’.

Emotional maturity, and then. Or, non-manipulation of self & others.

@mandyjw Grace & clarity like a damn nonja.

The entheogen are only in fairytales. Entheogen means to ‘put in the anchor’. As in throwing anchor out of reality, into Reality.

Sounds isolating, like aversion via solipsistic conjecture.

@ZenSwift Excellent read and good for you! ??

@ValiantSalvatore From what you’ve experienced so far, I’d write specifics about what you want on a dreamboard. Then I’d do whatever you enjoy, letting it go from mind altogether.

Open the front door… And watch all the ‘thoughts in perception’ blow away with the wind (also not in perception).

@snowyowl That’s a thought. It’s assumed. Find it in perception. @The Buddha Source is a thought. Source of thought, is a thought. Source of mind/thought, is a thought. Group of them is one thought. Like the thought ‘a hundred thoughts’ is not a hundred thoughts, but is one thought.

@snowyowl I agree it does seem like that. Also, the I thought is, a thought. Consequence, is also a thought… and so on… self-preservation, is also a thought.

@ValiantSalvatore Vision, or visualizing, can also & is most often the activity of the finite mind if you will, which isn’t quite the same as knowing and affirming what is wanted, and then letting it go entirely such that it can be, or ‘fill in’, manifest, appear. In & upon the recognition “visioning” is still activity of thought / finite mind… it is clearly seen there is no paradox. There is simply that you are creating, and how it ‘works’ if you will. Running a very strategic system and approaching the process strategically, in my suggestion at least, are the same. Likewise, ‘working conceptually to understand the concept’ is really rumination, which is really aversion. It is thought activity which is completely unnecessary and is much like vacuuming a floor not noticing the vacuum isn’t plugged in. A label is not understood meditatively, a label is let go all together. Imo, this is allowing the ‘forrest’ (that which you desire) and exploring it (actually experiencing it) and is not not conceptualizations about it. This is the fundamental root. ‘Failures’ is only the activity of thought. Try to point to ‘failures’ to see that it isn’t a thing at all per se, but an opinion. I realize this is shocking new information but I recommend addressing the doubt using the emotional scale, such that, that which you are desiring is cleared to appear.

@Breakingthewall Wonderful. ??

Yes. God, so to speak, is well aware of exactly how God is being this place, or if you like, experience. Look to the inward direct experience so to speak, and not the concepts, knowledge, hearsay, conjecture, etc. When the so called finite mind is slowed until without activity, ‘this’ is literally seen, just like your home can be seen from the inside, but also from the outside. No ‘thing’ can do this or help this seeing.