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Oh sweet paradox.

I’d just keep it to....if a thought right now doesn’t feel good, let it go and relax. Do stuff that feels good. Get back to basics with diet & daily meditation. Let the body relax and release as needed. Don’t ruminate and think. Relax, and let go.

@billiesimon Yes & no. There’s a difference between not conceptualizing, and feeling for the “answer”. Also, how quiet the mind is from meditation or yoga can have a lot to do with how self inquiry goes.

The “answer” of self inquiry is feeling. So if there’s a contextual question, (a ‘perception question’ and or ‘feeling question’ is only contextual / conceptual) let it go. Letting it go is the key. The “work”. The fear is not of feeling, it is of thought. Let it go.

@StripedGiraffe Indeed. Thanks for sharing.

That ...(imo) is far better to inspect non-trip, than in a trip (going back to your op). The trip will ‘say’ there’s no you, no here, and you are not experiencing stuff...that feeling / here is not inside the body. That’s what “could be lost”, that’s the “fear”. You can ‘peel it off’ with a psychedelics, but that’s like taking a band aid off with a bulldozer. This is generally indicative (no offense) of a local culture of psych’s being “the work”, whereas imo they are “the reward”, the pleasure cruise through infinity, for having done the work.

Totally agree. ...and...“Surely” might have different connotations....might, might not, ultimately, be neutral.

@Prevailer “Glassy sea” is a ‘write off’, an a priori belief. A definition is also a thought, and not perception. “It” is also a ‘write off’, as is “equal measure” (hence the undefinability of ‘science’). The Prevailer is not anything it thinks it is.

Nothing is pure of devilry, it is synonymous with dilution and delusion.

https://www.facebook.com/rupertspira/videos/684489255655408/

@Prevailer “Atom” is like “cup” in that the actuality is a thought rather than perception. Thus, so too is positive, negative and neutral. Belief is a glass ceiling.

”There appears to be...”

Infinite intelligence = love = body = universe....it most often initially “goes to one’s head” (spiritual ego / claiming it as one’s own) until it is actually seen. Eventually that which is being “worked on” is ‘seen’ in actuality. That is a heck of a ‘pointer’! Sure ‘makes’ sense of ‘objective reality’.

Unconditional love is not found is making conditions.

A bit too hung up on one or two comments in terms of fear and life (imo). Sometimes when the body releases, thought gets sneaky and “makes it about what someone said”, or maybe something that was read, etc. It’s not “about” any such thought story about a self, or death, etc. Totally relax and breathe and let any narratives go. Be present here now by tuning into perception and feeling. Understanding arises all on it’s own bubbly accord. Just relax and let thoughts that don’t resonate go, the body will do it’s thing. It’s precisely the most desirable outcome from the consciousness work you’ve been doing. When there is no judgement, there’s no fear. “My ego” doesn’t have the same ring to it that “my good friend” has. It should though, it got you this far. It’s a beautiful thing. If you’re not thinking about what other people think of you, and you’re not thinking about other people as such, and you’re not thinking about what other people are thinking about you, and you’re not thinking about a ‘you’ in a ‘past’, and you’re not thinking about a ‘you’ in a future - there’s probably 99% less thinking. In that same sense, intelligence is only here now. Such thinking is like a blockade to intelligence, or rather the awareness “of” it. Insights are only here now. Not found in a thought of past, future or self. If you expect to know what to do ‘in a thought’ (past or future) you’ll feel frustrated. Feeling doesn’t wander like the mind. It can’t “go there” (past or future). If you settle into the here now, only attentive to this, to what is, to only what is immediately present, you’ll see there is no fear. We don’t get to know what to do and what not to do. Reality is pure spontaneity, creation, so we listen mindfully to feeling & intuition. Life is, experience now, only. Any power experienced is of the source of the “idea of ‘you’” (Same ‘source’ ‘you’d’ be surrendering to). Nothing can be said to be lost in the loss of an ego, which is not itself just another claim of the ego. As far as ‘your life’ going crazy...the ‘divine force’ is already running the whole show. It is always safe to surrender. Look for letting go of resistances, be mindful of what you want to create. It’s literally just this now moment. That’s all one could be tasked with, and not even. “Caring what other people think” as a cover for self referential thought is ‘giving away power’ in the sense you mentioned, it is far from actual. Look to be conscientious & understanding. If you feel inclined to think on behalf of others, instead, notice the beauty and perfection of your body and your world. Others are thinkin about whatever they want, bees are buzzing, all is well. The more conscious of your own judgements of self & others, the more understanding, the less fear, and the more one is knowing truth and wonder. Always a good ‘path’ reminder imo...sensitivity increases. Often some tweaking is being beckoned. Sometimes diet, sometimes letting go of an old & unwanted narrative, maybe forgiving someone, maybe realizing something about reality was always just one’s perspective, etc. As the body is listened to more and more, it’s useful to listen to it’s requests, so to speak. They get more, and much more nuanced. The ‘no-way’ of just sitting, relaxing, and ‘listening’ is best, imo. If “it’s just awareness”, let any and all ego narrative go. It’s just a story. It’s got nothing on this actual story of this living, this life. That’s the real story.

@Kshantivadin Can you name something that is primary to consciousness? ? ?

What happens when you sit and relax and breath? Like how long until the ‘wave’ passes?

Only unconditional is born. Maybe there’s some semi-conscious conditions at play? It’s a shot in the dark but maybe you don’t find peace and thriving compatible.

In that context, I meant two or more nouns. Go back to what you wrote and make all nouns bold. Then read it again. Slowly. You’re right it doesn’t make sense now do that thing with the past, future, and nouns. How would you even know if you were gone, let alone gone forever? If you’re knowing you’re gone, you’re knowing. If you’re knowing of ‘gone forever’ you’re eternal. If you’re questioning nonexistence, you’re existence. If you’re stuck on a paradox, you’re infinite. If the dream ended and you died - you’re awareness, you’re the dreamer. If the thought of harming yourself didn’t feel good, you’re love. If you’re believing in death, you’re the magician. For God’s sake, set the bar a little higher.

Inspect that thought. Inspect that thought. FIlterout past, future, and duality in nouns / pronouns.

I’d contemplate on that. See if it feels good, and maybe more coagulates around it. (puts pants back on)

@livg7046 It seems we’ve put ourselves in time out.

@Rodrigo SIlva Suppose you acknowledge thoughts that are about you, aren’t true. What do you figure would happen? What are a few things that feel good, about being you? Also, we’ve heard what thought has to say about you... What does perception (seeing, hearing) and sensation (body / feeling) say about you?

@Bazooka Jesus For you by you, but that’ll do.

@Adodd Less research, more yoga.