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@traveler ? Nailed. Nice! ?? That distinction is pretty profound & rarely noted.

@Alextvvv Yes, the ‘brain getting rewired’ is a ‘real’ thing. It’s unmistakable, and “rewiring” is a pretty accurate description of the change / experience / sensation. I can attest to the front, the entire brain and spine, and the lower area in the back of the brain just above the spine. That last one was by far most intense, though not painful or concerning in any way. There is also what I can only describe as an aura activation, like body awareness / presence beyond the body. It seems to go from 3 ft to maybe 12 ft and then beyond discernible edges / borders. There is also a similar body bliss change that occurs which seems to encompass & basically ‘reprogram’ all of the systems. All separate occasions. Not sure if they’re related in the sense one would always occur before another. Then there’s another which honestly can’t be approached with words, but is remarkably more unmistakable. Take it for what you will. Sharing cause you’re interested. Totally get how it might sound. The most impactful one, the back of the brain, took 3 - 4 days, and then the more gradual aspect of it was any thoughts arising, being ‘re-filed’ in accordance with the change. That took around a month. Also, one occurred in the very end of a trip, one in meditation, the rest ‘in the middle of a day’ out of nowhere.

@traveler For the sake of what little sanity I have left, I have to assume you’re joking and have of course seen the movie The Matrix.

@Consilience Nice! Thanks for sharing God.

@mo90 I think I hear ya. I’m pointing to prior to the emotion and behavior, and also perhaps we’re saying the same thing here ultimately. What matters is clarity & feeling, and it sounds like you’re all good. ??

@Someone here Right. “Future” exists as a thought, which clearly is not separate of you...awareness is aware of awareness.

@zeroISinfinity What’s one more layer. No biggie.

lol. I don’t exist. Prove me wrong.

@Someone here Well hey, don’t shoot the messenger. I love someone here just as much as the next guy. ?♥️

‘Real things’, ‘themselves’, ‘representation’, ‘real world’, ‘concept’... all thoughts, not even ‘seeing’, which is ‘itself’ also a thought. All ‘known’, is none other than the very knowing. Only a thought, believed, implies otherwise. But thought is knowing. There’s nothing to be seen here, there is only not believing the next arising thought. ‘Knowledge of seeing’ is a thought, an overlay. It perpetuates the “I” belief. This is all articulated eloquently imo in the lyrics of moonlight sonata.

One of the most unnoticed & effective path approaches is dropping it entirely.

The mind struggles to accept just how devious humans (co-creating) are. It’s just easier to believe in an objective, subjective, or purely objective, reality. Nonetheless, this is unfolding, and we’ve all front row seats. Fear of Self, in a nutshell.

Beautiful.

@zeroISinfinity No!

@assx95 You are that which is all that is being referred to, including persistence. It’s hard to ‘think of as a dream’ - because the belief at play is that there are dreams, which there aren’t. The simplest way I could possibly suggest would be for you to say out loud - I am what thoughts actually are, I am what dreams actually are, I am what persistency actually is. There’s no realizing this, there is only realizing you are currently believing all of this, and beginning to inspect it to find what’s being said here is accurate. The ‘trouble’ with this, is the beliefs that something other than this is what is occurring now as “you’re reading this”. Nothing ever actually “goes over your head”. If you slow down and notice, there is a conscious choice to express the arising thoughts - rather than not, and inspect. Perhaps consider you’re going 500 mph in thought, reaction, expression...and slow down to 1 mph and ‘look’. Don’t take a single thought for granted. Consider this is a simple, light hearted joke you play on yourself.

If you inspect the beliefs you’ll no longer experience the narrative of ‘waking up in the morning’ and ‘having slept & dreamt’. This is what the dreams ‘tell you’, but you’re using them to reassert the beliefs that they are the ‘real dreams’ and this is the ‘real life’. A dream journal is literally a dream journal, and effortless contemplation is literally effortless, and can readily reveal this. It’s always up to you of course, because you are all that can be said to be appearing as that which you are claiming to be ‘a real life’ and as ‘dream’. There is simply no ‘living & dying’, nor ‘sleeping, dreaming or waking’. It’s all you. The ‘non persistent’ qualities of dream, and the ‘persistent qualities’ of ‘life’ are distinctions made by you, about you.

@Someone here Nice! ‘Human’ and ‘apple’ are thoughts, words learned. There aren’t actually ‘separate objects’. Only thought attachment to thoughts like ‘objects’. Also, ‘seeing’ is a thought, and there really isn’t even the knowing of ‘seeing’.

With the space from the practice, inspect the thought activity as it arises and veils. Noticing the correlation of reactionary thought & micro-tensing of the body as it happens throughout the day & and relaxing the body is most helpful. Also, consciously breathing relaxed, big & deep, with the stomach. These will likely shed more nuanced light on posture, diet, focus, intention, slowing & being more deliberate, as well as insightfully revealing of life, opportunities, & relationships. Inspecting / contemplating that “object” is a thought, only, would be ideal to see through ‘more objects’ as any convincing notion to be ‘pulled’ from the meditative state. Reviewing your meditation techniques, beginning a new practice, retreats, trips, coaching / guides, online classes, the right book at the right time, can all be powerful and reinvigorating in livelihood & meditation. Making a dreamboard reveals to you that you are creating your own reality. The enthusiasm and thrill of the insights & synchronicities via engagement of life at the vibratory vantage point compliments and even unburdens the ease of no mind (continuum of meditative state). Meditation really goes through the rough. A truer effortlessness at play is more readily known. Maybe check out some Abraham Hicks on YouTube, specifically video’s on pre-paving. A case could be made that the meditative state, or no mind, is emptying of misunderstanding, and understanding arises. It could also be said that engagement of desire in living brings fourth unique facets of you, and brings resistant thoughts into the light. Different ways can work together beautifully revealing truth through self discovery.

@The observer Might be a meta-calling. Infinity, Not Knowing, can be realized as being, but also ‘seen’ in direct no-experience if you will. Very electrifying, and clearing of thoughts about control, self, will, free, etc. Very inspiring and creative. Often there’s a zooming so far out, feeling infused purpose is suddenly seen to have been there all along. Not quite the same quickened intensity, but a dreamboard can reveal this also. I can easily see either one leading to the other, collapsing the two.

@The observer How have direct experiences been? Emotionally, physiologically, etc?

@The observer Then what would you do?

@Someone here No worries. If you’re interested in inspecting direct experience, sit and observe thought, and seeing. Then see if you can think seeing, or see thinking (visually). It might take a few minutes for thought activity to settle, to consider. This would be where the ‘proof’ you mentioned is & where it is realized human and apple are the same ‘substance’.

I’ll admit, it doesn’t fit well with there being a subject. Visually speaking, can you think seeing, or see thinking?

Water vibrates, ice says “ice is clearly distinct from water. They are separate”.

What would you do? Can you name three?