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That beautiful change in perspective from wanting everyone else to know how bad it is to making it good.

@Heaven Classic Heaven. ♥️??

@SamueLSD Counter-logical perhaps. Intuition says there’s no such thing as ‘negative feeling’ as it’s source is of course infinite love. I believe in practices, meditation, inspection work, etc...but the most profound ‘practice’ I’ve experienced, is a few days for me. Just regular ol’ ‘peopling stuff’, activities that I simply prefer. Good feeling to me, stuff. I know people who ‘push through’ their whole damn life, never knowing, never feeling, intrinsic inspiration, the arising of pure love & magic within.

Notice I said it’s a belief about yourself that you can inspect & ‘see through’, and you’re telling me I said something else...that’s it’s illusory, that it’s not real etc. This is attempting to control me via spinning what I’m saying to be your narrative. It’s just not, sorry. When you attempt to control, you isolate yourself via the perspective of separate selves. Rather than humbly inspect this behavior, you’ve labelled the feeling. But the feeling is your savior, your guidance, your very lifeline of love. When you are willing to listen, you begin to liberate moving beyond this stage. When you pretend not to hear what someone says, and instead tell them what they said - you’re reinforcing your belief, which doesn’t even feel good to you. It is understandably difficult for you to talk to someone who sees the belief for what it is, and simple says, no thank you. I feel for you, and offered some words & sentiment in hopes it helped you consider a different perspective. I hear you clearly, that you are not interested. That’s ok, no worries. If you change your mind and want to talk together, just let me know. Yes, definitely inspect & understand it. Don’t ignore what’s going on with you. Remove the label, and see what’s really going on. Ego is a write off. I don’t believe you’ll progress talking about it. It’s popular, it’s widely supported, but it’s a label. Yes, I’m aware this is not “the normal way of seeing such matters”. Labels are like hoods of cars. Look under them to see what’s really going on. Be willing to ‘get dirty’, be willing to feel. Sometimes “freaking out” is someone expressing some pent up emotions. It can be healing, releasing. Also, sometimes it’s not. Especially when directed at another. I’d choose freaking out and feeling the love that I am, over calmly suffering any given day. “Mental addiction” is a covering label. It covers the simplicity up, of one thinking to avoid feeling. Love is labelled, feeling is avoided, “fear” “addiction” “depersonalization”, etc, are the labels. It’s innocent, it’s truly not your fault. Literally. You can not be expected to understand what you do not understand. But your can inspect what you do not understand, but this requires your acknowledgement within yourself - that you don’t presently understand. I hope you can hear that through any arising deflections or reassertion of existing perspectives & beliefs. You’d have to at least consider, that I’m sitting here loving you, not judging you or wanting to be right about this conversation. I just want you to know your self, the love that you really are, and feel the peace and happiness that is present. Notice the world of healthcare at large is driven by money, not helping anyone. People intrinsically want to help each other, but that their income - that help - is funded, are so they are captive. I am not. I can tell you what I feel to be the truth, and I don’t give a fuck what anyone says. Sometimes of course, I’m wrong af. So it’s always in any case, up to you to ‘save yourself’. You have to flip that script for yourself. Put your well being above all. Wanting a better life is fine, great, Awesome - no problem. Allow no thing or thought to hold you back. One of the most common themes around is the shifting of the fear of living to one’s fullest potential, being open & loving in relationships, being humble, being exactly at everyone else’s level, simply enjoying the experience, and realizing one’s dreams... - ....to matters of the existential, hiding oneself away by literally believing one is right, and above others in any way. When one isn’t seeing this, one employs many labels, and tells others what they said. Consider, for one who listens - there is no need to tell anyone what they said. No, I’m telling you - that you are telling a story about yourself, your life, this world...and you are experiencing that story. When you choose to be humble, open minded - and tell a new story - you’ll see that you experience that story. It’s fucking amazing, but you gotta see it for yourself. This means experiencing some karma. Misunderstanding is let go, it empties out, and understanding can arise, and fill you up. Understanding = love. Gotta see that for yourself though. Thought’s about it won’t do. That’s highly arguable. In one way, yes, of course, obviously. In another way, if we had some conversation together, you experience the difference between our views on things. This presents you with new options, of new ways of looking at things. The choice in all cases, is always up to you. Please keep in mind, ‘how I am’, ‘how I feel’, ‘where I’m coming from with what is said here’ - presently...is 100% projection. That is not to say it’s fault, or something you’re doing. Reading these words, in comparison to seeing each other, hearing each other... these are two very very different experiences. I am happy to chat anytime, but I have no interest in any ‘going back & fourth’ with words on a page, because it doesn’t really help you, other than baring the potential of your choosing something new, something different, to heal, to love, to let go, to ‘see’ anew. I know how that is. I did it too. It’s a ‘can’t win’ game man. Gots to love you. For what it’s worth, a place is uncovered within, where you’ve let quite a bit go, and you, in hindsight - can actually love & laugh about this. No offense, that likely ain’t gonna be today, but that day can come. It’s a tricky thing - you can never ‘get there’, but it can come to you, if you let it. Here we can see that we can see things from ‘each others’ point of view. You are kind, loving, understanding, forgiving, accepting, and an all around solidly good & well intending person. You want nothing more than to be the living expression of the true love that you are. We are exactly the same.

@traveler ? Nailed. Nice! ?? That distinction is pretty profound & rarely noted.

@Alextvvv Yes, the ‘brain getting rewired’ is a ‘real’ thing. It’s unmistakable, and “rewiring” is a pretty accurate description of the change / experience / sensation. I can attest to the front, the entire brain and spine, and the lower area in the back of the brain just above the spine. That last one was by far most intense, though not painful or concerning in any way. There is also what I can only describe as an aura activation, like body awareness / presence beyond the body. It seems to go from 3 ft to maybe 12 ft and then beyond discernible edges / borders. There is also a similar body bliss change that occurs which seems to encompass & basically ‘reprogram’ all of the systems. All separate occasions. Not sure if they’re related in the sense one would always occur before another. Then there’s another which honestly can’t be approached with words, but is remarkably more unmistakable. Take it for what you will. Sharing cause you’re interested. Totally get how it might sound. The most impactful one, the back of the brain, took 3 - 4 days, and then the more gradual aspect of it was any thoughts arising, being ‘re-filed’ in accordance with the change. That took around a month. Also, one occurred in the very end of a trip, one in meditation, the rest ‘in the middle of a day’ out of nowhere.

@traveler For the sake of what little sanity I have left, I have to assume you’re joking and have of course seen the movie The Matrix.

@Consilience Nice! Thanks for sharing God.

@mo90 I think I hear ya. I’m pointing to prior to the emotion and behavior, and also perhaps we’re saying the same thing here ultimately. What matters is clarity & feeling, and it sounds like you’re all good. ??

@Someone here Right. “Future” exists as a thought, which clearly is not separate of you...awareness is aware of awareness.

@zeroISinfinity What’s one more layer. No biggie.

lol. I don’t exist. Prove me wrong.

@Someone here Well hey, don’t shoot the messenger. I love someone here just as much as the next guy. ?♥️

‘Real things’, ‘themselves’, ‘representation’, ‘real world’, ‘concept’... all thoughts, not even ‘seeing’, which is ‘itself’ also a thought. All ‘known’, is none other than the very knowing. Only a thought, believed, implies otherwise. But thought is knowing. There’s nothing to be seen here, there is only not believing the next arising thought. ‘Knowledge of seeing’ is a thought, an overlay. It perpetuates the “I” belief. This is all articulated eloquently imo in the lyrics of moonlight sonata.

One of the most unnoticed & effective path approaches is dropping it entirely.

The mind struggles to accept just how devious humans (co-creating) are. It’s just easier to believe in an objective, subjective, or purely objective, reality. Nonetheless, this is unfolding, and we’ve all front row seats. Fear of Self, in a nutshell.

Beautiful.

@zeroISinfinity No!

@assx95 You are that which is all that is being referred to, including persistence. It’s hard to ‘think of as a dream’ - because the belief at play is that there are dreams, which there aren’t. The simplest way I could possibly suggest would be for you to say out loud - I am what thoughts actually are, I am what dreams actually are, I am what persistency actually is. There’s no realizing this, there is only realizing you are currently believing all of this, and beginning to inspect it to find what’s being said here is accurate. The ‘trouble’ with this, is the beliefs that something other than this is what is occurring now as “you’re reading this”. Nothing ever actually “goes over your head”. If you slow down and notice, there is a conscious choice to express the arising thoughts - rather than not, and inspect. Perhaps consider you’re going 500 mph in thought, reaction, expression...and slow down to 1 mph and ‘look’. Don’t take a single thought for granted. Consider this is a simple, light hearted joke you play on yourself.

If you inspect the beliefs you’ll no longer experience the narrative of ‘waking up in the morning’ and ‘having slept & dreamt’. This is what the dreams ‘tell you’, but you’re using them to reassert the beliefs that they are the ‘real dreams’ and this is the ‘real life’. A dream journal is literally a dream journal, and effortless contemplation is literally effortless, and can readily reveal this. It’s always up to you of course, because you are all that can be said to be appearing as that which you are claiming to be ‘a real life’ and as ‘dream’. There is simply no ‘living & dying’, nor ‘sleeping, dreaming or waking’. It’s all you. The ‘non persistent’ qualities of dream, and the ‘persistent qualities’ of ‘life’ are distinctions made by you, about you.

@Someone here Nice! ‘Human’ and ‘apple’ are thoughts, words learned. There aren’t actually ‘separate objects’. Only thought attachment to thoughts like ‘objects’. Also, ‘seeing’ is a thought, and there really isn’t even the knowing of ‘seeing’.

With the space from the practice, inspect the thought activity as it arises and veils. Noticing the correlation of reactionary thought & micro-tensing of the body as it happens throughout the day & and relaxing the body is most helpful. Also, consciously breathing relaxed, big & deep, with the stomach. These will likely shed more nuanced light on posture, diet, focus, intention, slowing & being more deliberate, as well as insightfully revealing of life, opportunities, & relationships. Inspecting / contemplating that “object” is a thought, only, would be ideal to see through ‘more objects’ as any convincing notion to be ‘pulled’ from the meditative state. Reviewing your meditation techniques, beginning a new practice, retreats, trips, coaching / guides, online classes, the right book at the right time, can all be powerful and reinvigorating in livelihood & meditation. Making a dreamboard reveals to you that you are creating your own reality. The enthusiasm and thrill of the insights & synchronicities via engagement of life at the vibratory vantage point compliments and even unburdens the ease of no mind (continuum of meditative state). Meditation really goes through the rough. A truer effortlessness at play is more readily known. Maybe check out some Abraham Hicks on YouTube, specifically video’s on pre-paving. A case could be made that the meditative state, or no mind, is emptying of misunderstanding, and understanding arises. It could also be said that engagement of desire in living brings fourth unique facets of you, and brings resistant thoughts into the light. Different ways can work together beautifully revealing truth through self discovery.

@The observer Might be a meta-calling. Infinity, Not Knowing, can be realized as being, but also ‘seen’ in direct no-experience if you will. Very electrifying, and clearing of thoughts about control, self, will, free, etc. Very inspiring and creative. Often there’s a zooming so far out, feeling infused purpose is suddenly seen to have been there all along. Not quite the same quickened intensity, but a dreamboard can reveal this also. I can easily see either one leading to the other, collapsing the two.

@The observer How have direct experiences been? Emotionally, physiologically, etc?

@The observer Then what would you do?