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@meow_meow “Bamboozled” lol. Fits so well. ??

Arguably, the role they play is that of removing the ability or doing-ness of holding those beliefs (that you are flawed, irresponsible, immature, arrogant, self obsessed). Those might be accurate depictions of your perspectives, and even behaviors & actions, but perhaps the reason psych’s work well for you is because you’re unable to hold those beliefs while on them...thus realizing those are just beliefs, perspectives, behaviors and actions....that none of that is true about you. You, are fucking awesome. Any belief contrary to your actual fucking-awesomeness is self created & perpetuated, and an unnecessary hurdle (but I love ya & I digress). So, just a thought that came to mind...LSD is a bit of a long hall trip. Not saying I’m for or against it, but you might be ‘swinging’ from holding those beliefs about yourself, to more of a full blown trip & being without those beliefs, then as the trip fades, not noticing with as much nuance as you’d like how those beliefs reconstruct, or, are picked up / recreated again. The thought that came to mind...you might use dreamboard & loa, and or ‘put your feelers out’ on psilocybin (mushrooms) in vapor form. Compared to an ingestion which is quite deep and an hours long endeavor, the vapor is completely controllable in terms of incrementally dosing, and it’s effects are instant, and fade in less than an hour...maybe twenty minutes. It came to mind because that might be highly effective for you in being able to ‘see more’, in terms of clarity around the picking up and putting down of those beliefs / thought patterns. Might see right through them, and realize the how’s, why’s and when’s of where they came from, or, where they were initially ‘picked up’ to begin with. Just thought I’d share that, use it if it’s useful. Godspeed and much love ??. (Disclaimer for clarity...I’m not at all suggesting this instead of therapy, and I have no sourcing info.)

@Adamq8 @allislove ? ?

If you are pure void imagining up reality...you were imagining there was a you which was falling asleep, a you which the experience or knowing ‘hit’. That “nowhere” in this case would be you.

Loa is a one player game. While the joy of it might seem infectious, it arises only from within one. One might initially credit that joy to being around another aware of loa, but that one will inevitably realize they themself are the source. One giving “the evil eye” is experientially separating themself from their source, and is completely powerless in kind, and are praying on another’s ignorance to be influenced. Like vacuuming without the vacuum being plugged in...not much really happening there, though it might look similar and convince someone who’s quite distant from what’s actually going on. One who buys into the belief in evil, and judges the giver of “the evil eye”, is essentially abandoning their source as well, ignoring the feeling which tells them there’s no truth to the “evil eye” and other such curses etc. It’d only be a conceptual judgement projected upon the giver of the “evil eye”, the discord of which would be felt by the be-leaver. Loa has a source, and there are not two. Yes. Absolutely, you might say. Then relativity is seen for what it isn’t, and loa is understood in a meta, yet intimately personal, sense. Yet also, no. One can employ loa to discover it is true. Many roads, one source.

Well said! What do you think of Wavydude’s description? If one was to reframe perspective from exclusion, to abundance, what would that look like? Basically, what would be the opposite of those? How would one get there?

@kireet Awesome. ??

@wavydude That is an excellent & clear way to frame it up imo. How to ‘untrap’ then, right? Thoughts?

Awareness is aware of awareness. The observed is awareness. The observer is awareness. So there is no observer or observed. Just awareness aware of awareness. If you find something other than awareness, notice awareness of “it”. Then scrutinize how the two are separated (Awareness, and the thing awareness is aware of). Any ample inspection reveals there is no separation, just the thought that there was. Deep sleep is such a thought. Be sure to also ‘throw out’ all words and meanings, like “awareness”, “consciousness”, “nothing”, etc, as they were just pointing.

@Zak What would healed look like? What comes to mind from that question?

@allislove ??

@kireet Be ‘where you’re at’, and let all the judgment go. Especially the judging of yourself. You meditated for a year and that calmed the mind. That’s perfect, you’re perfectly, naturally, organically, ‘on track’. Refrain from judging yourself so readily, as if you’re missing something, as if the actuality where something to get to. Actuality is here now, and is ‘unwrapped’, not somewhere or something to get to. When you do that, you’re going away from actuality, into abstract thought about some other scenario which doesn’t exist, and subtly, sneakily, comparing ‘where you are’ to ‘where you should be’. You are where you are, which is the only actuality of ‘where you are’. Don’t believe the comparison, and more so, notice intently the feeling of that comparison, and the resulting feeling when you think ‘I’m not there’ / ‘where I should or could be’ in realization. Let all of that go, and ‘point’ attention / focus back inwardly so to speak, back to you, back to what is knowing the direct experience of right here, right now. Hold your hand in front of you and notice there is perception (seeing), and the feeling, or sensation ‘inside’ the hand, and notice “hand” is a thought, a label you learned. Take a minute to dial into, or focus intently yet effortlessly on each of those: the thought “hand”, seeing, and sensation. Then hold your hand behind your head, and notice the thought “hand” is just the thought. Notice there is no perception (no seeing a ‘hand’). Notice there is still the sensation. Then move your hand back ‘in front of you’...and notice the experience is only: the thought “hand”, the sensation (that there is feeling), and perception (that there is seeing). Repeat all that, but this time notice in perception, in seeing...there certainly appears to be definable specific ‘edges’ of your hand. Visually, it is crystal clear where your hand is, and where it ends and the air is. Then hold your hand behind your head again, label it garfenkus (instead of the label you know, ‘hand’)...and notice / focus on only the sensation of ‘the hand’...notice, in feeling, there are no discernible ‘edges’. Notice the edge-less ‘fuzziness’ of sensation / feeling. Now close your eyes and relax a bit, and notice the entire body is filled with sensation, or, that there is feeling. With your eyes closed, focus on feeling the entire body, and notice, there are no discernible ‘edges’ of feeling. Now notice “body” is a thought, a label you learned, and that is all it is. Now take a good 360 degree look around. Notice how many labels are being believed for all the “things” you’re seeing. But notice, there is no separation between what is seen, the seeing, and the knowing of the seeing. Notice the thoughts arising as labels, and the knowing of the thoughts and the seeing, are not separate from ‘eachother’. Really scrutinize to find the separation between ‘objects’, the seeing of, and the knowing of the seeing. The more you scrutinize to find the separation between ‘objects’, seeing, and knowing...the more clear it is that no separation can actually be found. Notice each time it seems a separation is found...that was only a thought, which was being believed. Notice the “trick” is you convincing you that there are “separations”, only by believing the thoughts, that there are. Notice you’re using thought, perception, and sensation, to “trick” yourself...to convince yourself of this...when the actuality is that experience is one invisible whole. Now notice, whoever or whatever ‘you’ are, you are that one indivisible whole. ‘You’ are not separate, and no ‘thing’ is actually separate from ‘you’. Do that: ‘objects’, seeing, knowing collapse anywhere, anytime throughout the days. As you do, you’re going to experience feelings about this. As you do, over and over...dial into, or focus intently yet relaxed upon feeling. Frame this exercise up as the “point” is to stir up that response of feeling, and focus on that, letting go of attachment to seeing and thinking. You might also contemplate that you were not made. Notice, people have sex, and that could be planned. You could write a whole outline of how it is to go, what’ll transpire, who’ll do what, etc. But...nobody can make any actual plan whatsoever of more literally, how to create you. As people we can claim to do the sex, and we can plan to have babies...but not the actual creating, of another person. It’s a total cover up, a mirage. Then try to think of one single example of anything whatsoever - which isn’t actually just a state of change. If you leave an apple in the sun, vs in the refrigerator...it’s very easy to notice the variance in change. In sunlight, an apple is going to decompose faster than in the fridge, but the apple in the fridge decomposes, changes, too. Carry that out to rocks & boulders. The state of change of rocks is slower, but over enough time they ‘melt’, change, or decompose, too. Begin to notice there is no “thing” which isn’t actually changing. That there are “separate things” is illusory, do to the slow rate of change, and relativity to your seeing and experiencing of all the “things”. Notice again, experience is one whole, of apparent changing-ness. Body wise, you too are an apparent changing-ness. “Cells” dying, cells dividing, etc. Always and only changing. Notice the profundity of that it doesn’t seem like it. Notice how perfect that is. Totally seems like there are solid, separate, individual, “things”. But there isn’t. You’ve just been believing there is. Now contemplate, ‘you’, or rather, the body you previously believed was a “separate thing”...is sized ever so perfectly in the middle between an atom, and the earth. What are the odds of this? If there were billions of years of random evolution, and an eternity of who knows what prior to the “Big Bang”...what are the odds that all of that led to you just happening to be you, right now? Then notice, “odds”, is only a thought. There’s no “odds”, that is only a thought. Then contemplate that you, “physically” speaking, as a “body”...are actually an apparent changingness. Now let all that go and recall that you have ‘something’ in experience which is unique and is not experienced anywhere ‘outside of you’, ever, and that is your sense of humor. Now consider how ridiculously funny it is that the cover up, the means of you convincing yourself you exist as a separate body or person, that there is a universe and physical reality...is the Big Bang. Notice, this is really just a reference to something “your parents” did. Notice they too, are changingness. They are only, apparent. Keep this in mind anytime you notice any uncertainty or fear in life. Collapse the objects, seeing & knowing, leaving only the knowingness...and have a hearty laugh at “fearing” what is only changingness, inseparable of, you.

@justfortoday Beautiful. ??

@Heaven We love you! Heaven’s kinda easy to love, but still.

I’ll post a video about it in a few days.

@Amit ??? Touche’! How many egos you figure there are? ?

@Galyna ?? Appreciated, honestly though, all credit goes to mahāsamādhi. @Amit LOL! So true.

@Someone here Nice! Getting warmer...

@Someone here Love you. Lot of wisdom here, just in these two. First time you feel it, it might make you sad Next time you feel it it might make you mad But you'll be glad baby when you've found That's the power makes the world go'round Here’s to not nailing any messengers up. ?

@Someone here “???“

@Michael569 Just super appreciating you, that’s all.

@Someone here The things you’re asking are typically considered very intimate and personal, and there is no intention here to be offensive. In direct experience, thoughts appear, and disappear. “Possible” and “impossible” have no actuality, just thoughts. Notice, thoughts are not separate of any you. When the thought “that’s literally impossible” appears, don’t react or act on it, simply notice it appearing and disappearing. Same for the thought, “your body”. That is only the thought, “body”. Same for “alive”, that is only the thought. Same for “eats”, “sleeps”, “types”, “no thoughts” & “24/7” (“time”). That there are these “different states” is a thought, a belief held. What is the direct experience, what s the actuality of these things you speak of? Just the thoughts. “Temporary” is a thought, “deep meditation sessions” is a thought. “Permanent thing” is a thought. There is no actuality to these other than the thoughts, which is an appearance. Don’t take “my” “word” for it. Notice now, “thoughts” are appearing and disappearing. Rather than “grab hold” of a thought, see that the true nature of thought is already to appear and disappear. Again, no personal offense, but this is deflection / projection. You are adding something via the claim I said or implied it, but I didn’t. It’s a thought that appeared, that you “grabbed onto”. I offered a suggestion, I didn’t say you “should or shouldn’t”. You added that. Let that go. Same mechanisms at play. I didn’t say anything was wrong. This initially likely seems semantical, what’s being said now. Notice it is not, by letting the thought you “grabbed onto”, disappear. Side note - thought is not perception. Thought is 0% perception. Also, there is no “existential perception”. That is only thoughts - about - “existential perception”. There is no such “thing”. Thought is not a separate thing. “Stopped” & “forever” are the content of thoughts. (Reminder, thought is an appearance). No offense, but that approach is perpetual suffering. (To even consider thought should be stopped.) Yes...but look how easily (again no offense, intention is less suffering) you slipped into the opposite, that there is an individual “thinker”..... ...and remember....”there is no thinker of thoughts”. Btw....or.....he would just do everything he wants to. You. Not “we all”. Just, “you” - “the thinker”. Again, no offense. “We’re” just pretending “we” are talking about a subject here.

@Someone here Yes indeed, and I have infinite compassion for it. Yet, go back and read that post again without reacting or responding to or with any arising thoughts. Then consider that I am you, and there is nobody ‘here’ you’re talking to or about in the first place (still without believing a single thought). It’s just you believing your thoughts. @zeroISinfinity ?

@RedLine The premise of ‘everything is love is subjective bias’ was faulty right out of the gate...if there is subjective and bias, it’s your subjective bias. As in, if you believe someone else has subjective bias, you are actually believing your own subjective bias but not noticing you are. What you could be inquiring into is what suffering is & how it appears. Not some objective suffering, just suffering - which means “your” suffering. The trouble you’re encountering there, is how quickly the thought there are other people is believed, because underlying the inquiry, that belief is precisely your suffering. When you no longer believe that thought, you’re 99% ‘there’ in terms of understanding ‘your own’ suffering. But then that’ll leave you with solipsism, or that there is no ‘you’ / ‘you’ is not a person. To remove that remaining duality, you’d have to let go of the “everything”, the “subjective”, and the “bias” you’re believing in. You’d have to let go of everything & you. If & when ‘you’ do, there is no longer any existence of suffering...nor was there spacetime, light, a universe, memories, experience, etc. You’d be fully aware you created your own, “suffering”.

Body is a thought. Documented case is a thought. Autopsy, cause & death are thoughts. Brain is a thought. Biologically alive is a thought. All of the apparent ‘things’ & causations of ‘things’ which these thoughts are being believed to be, is the same one substance, the same one experience, as the “thoughts” - youness. When you believe a thought, you essentially are believing a “thought” is some “thing” other than you.