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@beastcookie Everything you’re saying makes sense when you acknowledge it’s just thoughts. That none of it has any truth to it, including your first thought, that there are people, let alone the next thought, that there are enlightened people. Not sure you’re appreciating the profundity of what you’re talking about yet. Judgement is so subtle & sneaky. Some use models wrapped around the idea.

@Nak Khid Interesting points, and I have no idea.

My face & my physical body are thoughts. Things, is actually just a thought. I’d consider the opposite of integration...letting it go, completely, and being present only here now. Recognizing it as thought, and letting it go as such, breaks the repetition of trying to “make sense of it”...which is really trying to reconcile how that experience could be possible given that you are a physical individual thing. It doesn’t integrate, it reveals the beliefs that can be let go, or seen as, beliefs. (Thought attachment & identity) Great work btw!

“It” can only appear to be, I’d suggest. @Member Can what is not a thing, but appears to be a thing (in form-ation / appears to be forming) really ‘transfer’. ?

@wavydude ?

@somegirl Anytime. Now I’m wondering...what with you having made a post about it etc...maybe....you....kinda sorta....like that guy...?

Just a perspective here, a ‘for what it’s worth’...the things Leo stated on this thread are deeply true and powerful, and I wonder if you’re hearing it / letting it in / letting yourself really actually hear that. You’re doing the work - this is still ‘the work’. I have a hunch it is bringing some beliefs about yourself to the surface to be seen and released...which aren’t yet recognized as beliefs. That’s the tricky nature of self beliefs - the one holding them thinks they’re true. It takes a while, and some suffering, to see. It’s all very worth it. That the past exists, let alone has any influence or bearing on now, is all belief - believing appearing thoughts / aka ‘thought stories’ of a ‘me’. There is a very emotional ‘process’ of release of misunderstanding, going from the ‘there is a past & I’m physical’ paradigm...to the realization there is one eternal moment, and you are that / this. Much understanding arises, just after the releasing of misunderstanding. It ‘works that way’ because you are the understanding. Doesn’t usually happen all at once, so I’m using the word ‘process’. I’d consider reading what Leo again when you have some time later when you can let go (cry like a baby really). Every road without exception leads back to love. Love yourself, love the process, love were you’re at, love the feeling of eager for more, of going even deeper, of releasing even more, of realizing more, of understanding more. Only love will do, because only actual you will do. No thoughts about you will do. I used to experience like that also. There are endless perspectives about anything, but this comes to mind...there’s two ways of going about that.... continuing to avoid feeling believing the simple thought trick of “I” get “it” (when I’m alone), which is what suffering is. There’s not-two. There is not an “I” and an “it”. Go the opposite route, that of ‘having had enough suffering’ - being more than willing, inquisitive even, and feeling into feeling, so to speak. No longer internally avoiding feeling, but realizing everything you have ever done, and everything you will ever do - is for the sake of feeling. Be done with the hamster wheel of thought stories...feel directly. Again, wishing you the very best, sending loving vibes.

@communitybuilder Not sure if you’ve seen this. Pretty interesting. Notice ‘she’ makes concessions to his potentially limited views of identification, time, etc. The facial micro expressions are pretty revealing imo.

@Michael569 ??? I’d contemplate how he feels, likely, he feels hurt. I’d look for any assumptions made, like that he looks at social media. He probably had feelings for you and was believing you had feelings for him, and was upset to find you had a boyfriend. Depending on emotional maturity, some guys will recoil and have a chip on their shoulder, and some guys take it lightly & can communicate their perspective and express what’s going on with them. More generally, in regard to contemplating any situation, practice feeling yourself into other’s shoes.

If it’s anxiety, it’s perspective(s) / suffering. If it’s pain, go to a Dr and have some tests done. If it’s not actually pain, but suffering / anxiety, you might be looking for specifics in your life to make sense of it, but it might be a rather traditional suffering of the beliefs and perspectives of the separate self, ultimately rooted in the fear of death. Can never be sure online, but if you think like you type, you’re thinking of a myself and haven’t noticed now / awareness aware of, is the ‘myself’. Maybe reconsider that thought / “illusion” question. Best of luck. ??

@wwhy ?

It’s satisfying. Useful as well. There’s no such thing as negative energy. That’s self judgment of nothing. It’s not humans forgetting, it’s love. Not your idea of love, it’s just, love.

I meant what it’s being related to, not that he is causing it. Notice the emptying of emotional misunderstanding from the work, it’s good. Reframe it as desirable outcome, rather than avoiding feeling and or discontinuing practices. Be wide open and willing to feel entirely and thoroughly. Allow yourself to go ahead and ‘fall apart’, let it out, let go. Also notice the different avenues, or narratives of people and situations the mind comes up with in attempts to make sense of the emptying emotions. Sometimes there is a diversion of content involving others, or the practices, etc...to the objective, in avoidance of inspecting from a more subjective standpoint. Rely on your foundation of meditation for some space & equanimity. As the Awareness & sensitivity increases look to the more & more subtle. If you’re struggling to think of why you’re feeling this way, look at how you’re thinking, namely about yourself in relation to the things you’re mentioning. Also, you’ve mentioned “the illusion” before...are you realizing all thoughts are “illusion” as well?

@Seed The typo might explain the ‘anxiety’ and what it is being related to. Dunno.

@An young being Indeed. Is there an exit to a dream though really? Was there an entrance?

@An young being Yeah but what if that’s what you’re dreaming, and you began to lucid dream (know you are dreaming). Then the there is no human, only the dream substance of yourself dreaming.

That has everything to do with it imo. The lemon tek makes the digestion, come up & nausea more sudden & condensed, which steers toward the trip toward overwhelming. That combined with the expectation of “ego death” as an undesirable experience makes for a bummer trip. Also with the lemon tek, you’re still eating the toxic flesh of the shroom (=nausea), just in powder form. I found boiling the active ingredient out (and pitching the flesh of the shroom) and making tea to be a game changer in terms of any nausea at all. In hindsight the nausea played a big role in what ‘direction’ the mood and thoughts, and therefore breakthroughs went. Best of luck with the next trip. Hope that’s helpful. Also, I totally agree with Leo. Can’t go in with a exit strategy. It shapes the whole experience.

How are these different?

@Gesundheit Are you?

@Gesundheit Not trying to be evasive, it’s just that you = eternity.

@Gesundheit Do you believe they are?

@Gesundheit Eternity.

Future & death are ideas.

Imo, it’s a pointing that unattachment to thought (no mind / samahdi) are not the full circle. It’s a caution not to write of understanding with beliefs, like ‘it’s an illusion’, specifically regarding choice, and that understanding ultimately ‘eats itself’.