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@seeking_brilliance Sounds like you got it, so to speak...couple things came to mind... Contemplating, trying to find the actual source of darkness in the appearance...seeing through the apparent dualities of asleep & awake, both spiritually and ‘as the character’ if you will, as well as alive & dead, and life & death as well. Those tend to ‘solidify’ the ‘situation’, all puns aside. Those might help contribute to the undercutting of what you mentioned...in that a point is ‘reached’ when you notice you were believing in “days”, or “changes”. Ya might already ‘be there’.

Always great to hear. ??

@Elshaddai America didn’t vote for Trump, they voted for Hilary. Americans vote, but then that vote is undermined by facets of the system such as the electoral vote, which was invented to undermine Americans put in less influential positions by...Americans. Information gathering, a bit behind the scenes, was allegedly how he received the votes that he did. He denies this, but there it is on record that the info gathering co was paid six million dollars.There’s a doc on Netflix about it, I think called The Great Hack. It also cover’s Facebook’s role, which I think resulted in fines into the millions. I remember watching the very first debate, and the second he had communicated that he was not really truly representing either party, and that he would switch in a heartbeat to independent if he wasn’t the parties front runner...combined with playing on the average persons fear & shifting it via projection onto the “threat” of Mexico & building a border wall to “keep us safe”...I remember saying to Ms Nahm, yep, he’s already won...people won’t see through that. So what Trump does seem to have, is an enough money, friends, business relationships, influence and intelligence, to pick people who are not only more intelligent, but uniquely specialized. He seems to be very good at putting a winning team together at just about all costs. Oddly, and arguably, he’s very up front about just about all of this.

@zeroISinfinity Meh. He’s alright. You’re the real deal ‘my man’.

@electroBeam ? ? ?

@electroBeam Oh boy. Next thing ya know our periods will be syncing. ? And heck yes, very insightful.

@zeroISinfinity ?

@electroBeam A thousand yeps.

@allislove Well played sirrrr.... Purity, wholesomeness....or vaginas? As usual VH leaves that up to you. Indeed it is, the real thing.

”Standing on broken dreams, but never losing sight....and in the end, on dreams we will depend, cause that’s what love is made of.“ “You don't have to die an' go to heaven, or hang around to be born again. Just tune in to what this place has got to offer, cause we may never be here again.”

@electroBeam Got me right in the feels. Nice work Zel.

Fear is not the opposite of love. Ain’t two. ? That single belief dualizes experientially what can not be dualized in actuality, and in kind one has created a biggest picture / reality view, of a duality of fear & will power / courage. It’s relative, so courage & developing willpower could be best for now, but motive & motivation inevitably runs it’s course for one on the path, and in-spirit, inspiration, is the effortlessness sought & found. All is being done for you, as you are the appearance of all, making it seem that there is a ‘you’ ‘in here’ to begin with. Formlessness can not know effort or will, just as infinite can not know finite. Similarly, love has no mind. Never did. Just a wonderfully intrinsic sense of humor.

@Someone here Right on. Our goal is the same, transcending suffering to whatever extent possible. I hear you on experiencing suffering as feeling, or as pain. I would consider making a distinction just for consideration, to ‘try it on’ and see if it fits at all, between pain being physical sensation, and suffering being mental anguish. There is sensation to mental anguish indeed, but you are very clear on the sameness, so making distinction can be useful. Might reference the solo / togetherness / solo / togetherness like in spiral dynamics. ‘Things’ get digested similarly in a unification perspective, distinctions perspective, unification, distinctions, so on. In a way we’re all exactly the same, yet we’re like infinite snowflakes too, no two being exactly the same. You and I might not relatively experience the same. However, when relativity is seen through, transcended, only absolute remains, and there are no longer any differences. My perspectives & comments are typically to getting to that absolute. I would utilize focus, attention, awareness, whichever word fits easiest, and use it like an inner flashlight to ‘go to’ exactly, precisely where the pain is in the body. Keep ‘shining the awareness on it’ to more and more see precisely what it is. Feel it as much as possible, as a student. Wide open to listen to it. This can be very revealing. I have experienced many times in working with people the actual lasting disappearance of pain they battled for years. People who for whatever reason didn’t respond to meds, dr’s & therapies. Also, a key, you might say ‘early on’, is recognizing that one does not actually know suffering outside of oneself in any case. Yes, there’s suffering in the world...yet, I can not say that I know that to be absolutely true. I only know my suffering, so to speak.

You’re still identified with thoughts. You haven’t transcended that yet, to have the reference point via direct experience, to really understand some of the perspectives which are being offered. Take a step back, zoom out a bit, and later, read this thread. Notice you made a thread asking for advice regarding the way out of suffering, and then reject all advice and maintain a position. When the positions are seen through they are transcended, and there is no inclination anymore to defend the position / self. The “self” is an idea of a self, via identifying with thoughts / attachment which thoughts / the idea of you being defended. Zero is giving you the straight skinny. One approach, is that it stems from yet to see through fear, to inspect it thoroughly and know what it is / have seen through it. Solipsism btw, is just a belief, a position. It also might be helpful to notice in your op, the establishing of your position, the ‘setting it in stone’ before anyone has a chance to converse. If you notice yourself doing this in your day to day, it is a wonderful relief to free yourself of the defensive posturing of it. It does wonders for depth of relationships as well as seeing opportunities previously unseen. Noting ‘wrong’ with it, sans how it feels to ‘carry’ it. It’s a way of asserting a belief or assumption, which one doesn’t want challenged, prior to communication.

@Eren Eeager Maybe describe the back & fourth of your own experience in terms of blue being with the pack so to speak, orange being a shift of focus away from the pack and to your personal development, and so on, rather than describing in terms of ism’s and society. You could also use arguably the simplest relatable model of explanation of being a kid prior to going to school, then going to school and learning how to work together, then focusing on creating the life you want as you exit school, then learning the more intimate nuances of relating with others from starting a family, etc. Might not all be in your experience yet, but it’s a extremely simple relatable way to at least convey the basic premise that there are stages we go through.

@Juressic That’s a great idea imo. Maybe midway through the game it could switch from first person to third person view, or even back and forth through the stages. I don’t recall that happening in any game, it’s usually one or the other the whole way, or the ability to switch anytime. A game that switches In accordance with the plot, and transcendence from tier one to tier two would be unique and remarkable in that sense, and really communicate something more directly through thought to the inner being, if you will. It’d resonate, even if people didn’t quite recognize why. Also, maybe the goal or orientation of the game could switch midway between over taking the land & resources, to being tasked with minimizing wars and keeping the peace.

@Megan Alecia What @Recursoinominado said is spot on imo. I would also make a dreamboard. When you see all that you are wanting in life, the biggest dream you can dream In front of you, the feeling, sentiment and attitude toward the task at hand changes. It is seen more as the whole of your life dream, as contributing to your vision, and is much more enjoyable & purposeful.

You don’t know what it is yet not to be identified.

There is only infinite consciousness. There is no such thing as infinite consciousness.

@PopoyeSailor Spot on dude.

@wavydude Get a dry erase board. Write one single thing you want. Something incredibly simple, like, taco’s for dinner or a coffee. That’s it. “Big” things are actually done in tiny steps. So just do the tiniest step, literally, that you can. Maybe even just ordering a dry erase board, and that is enough for today. It’s not for dealing with anything. It’s just what you want. You could write literally anything, big or small, that you want to do, be, have, experience, etc. Anything. If for now it is to lift your mood and it changes perspective for the better, awesome, perfect.

There’s no one to understand or define nonduality. That’d be two. Nonduality is a pointing, not a concept. The word doesn’t suggest what it is, only what it is not. If it is a concept, follow the pointing until it isn’t. Stop looking at the finger and see the moon, sts. An idea can not be perceived any more than perception can be thought. You can mistake reality for your ideas everywhere you look, yes. You don’t have to though. The universe is an appearance. There are no process, there is an idea that there are processes. It’d all be as it is, without the idea or label. Ideas aren’t wrong or right, that in and of itself is an idea. The universe has no processes. There are no humans. Start from what is actual, now. Notice evolution is a back story, not anything which can be pointed to. The actuality of anything pointed to, is now. That there is a past comes in as an idea, about now. There are not-two. We observing some thing, any thing, is twoness. All twoness is apparent. This is why moms & dads are called a-parent. You created yourself, and not even. Nonduality is not a concept. Your insistence that it is, is the point. Yes & yes there is. When all beliefs are seen through and as such disappear, only truth remains, and not even. Universe is a thought. A universe has never existed or been witness or observed. “Understanding itself”, is twoness. What is, simply is, itself. There is not that ‘me’ or that ‘universe experiencing through it’, not-two. Like this...there is nothing to get around.

That there is a why, and that it has been realized there is no self, is the deception at play here. Thinking there is no self is not realizing there is no self. Realizing no self, there’s no longer the questions of whys. Perhaps you did just think about. Problems don’t have a source. If you ask me should I constantly, or even for a second worry about _________, I will always answer no, no matter what is in that blank. Worry is bamboozlment. The mind would never trick itself because a mind does not exist. To arrive at that to begin with, is to believe thoughts.

Not possible. Ya bamboozled yoself. That’s 100% belief, 0% direct experience. That there is any duality, is only a thought. Yes. Until you’ve directly experienced it. There’s nothing there to ‘get around’. You’re making that up. It’s nice descriptively speaking, but you’re believing thoughts about reality, instead of noticing reality. Still believing in “facts”, from “people”. Make all the reason and predictions you like, just notice you are doing it. Make up all the meaning you like, just notice you are doing it.

Love yourself. Don’t philosophize it, don’t think about it, do it. Start with appreciation, it is love. Stop taking your hands & feet for granted for example. Notice them, appreciate them. Watch them, notice & love them. Read The Six Pillars Of Self Esteem. Then, read Ask & It Is Given. Then make a dreamboard. Then receive what you are wanting. You bamboozled yourself. You didn’t experience nothing, you conceptualized it. And not even. Be open to the possibility you’re bullshitting yourself. The thought might be about other people living cool lives...but the feeling is about you living the life you actually want. Don’t fall for the cover story of thoughts, fall in love with feeling. It is literal sensational guidance for this lifetime. Infinite Intelligence. Notice you can not take feeling off, like you would a coat. You’ll have this guidance for as long as your alive. Wether you start listening to it or not, is up to you. No one will ever come along and wake you up and make you listen to feeling. You gotta do it. Have you had enough suffering yet? If you were not love, goodness - you would not be able to experience the relativity to derive ‘that you are broken’. Beginner’s mind is very much called for. Let go of the belief you’ve figured anything out. Let the whole thought-level of ‘figuring out’ go. That ain’t it. FEEL. That self doesn’t exist is literally being said. If there was no self there would be no saying. You’re believing you at 100 / 1000 on the path, sts, and in truth you haven’t seen the path yet. Open up your mind as to what a self could be. It’s presently quite limited, and that is the feeling of suffering. Not foreign, conceptualized, via believing you know stuff. You’re made of it. Born of it. Life doesn’t happen accidently. Pregnancies, sometimes - but not Life. God is beyond conception. I love you and welcome to the forum, and I’m calling bullshit. The evidence that you do care, is the feeling of losing hope. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have made this post. Recognize that in direct feeling. Start to consider you have misunderstood much, and suppressed feeling, which told you at every turn that your perspective was off.