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Infinite can not know finite. Delusion isn’t there like sanity isn’t there.

@EmptyVase The hierarchy of perspectives is known via the resonance in feeling throughout the body. It doesn’t involve anyone else.

@Martin123 You blatantly (or rather, said he ‘blatantly victim shamed’) accused someone of victim shaming (Leo) who explained that he did not, and though I might have missed it, I didn’t see any reply from you. I’m curious, have you realized you were wrong? If so, was Leo the victim in this scenario...does that make you ‘a villain’? We’re you victim shaming him? Also, does it occur to you an apology is appropriate if this is the case? Just curious.

If nonexistence refers to thought, thought doesn’t exist. What reason? What is it’s usage relative to? If the sun is said to exist at all, existence is a relative property attributed to the sun. Does existence have an opposite? Can existence be relative? Does appearance and disappearance determine existence? Does existence appear & disappear? Wouldn’t that be saying existence is relative to appearance?

@justfortoday It’s a tiny nuance so to speak. I don’t disagree at all with what you said there. Referencing your other thread... in the same way there is no mover, though relativity ‘implies’ or make it seem like there is, there is no liver, death, or relativity.

Is there an actuality of nonexistence? Not the word, but what it points to.

@Someone here Is non existence a thought about not existing, or a reference to direct experience of non existence? And if interested, how does that relate to the op / topic?

No need to realize what happens after death, only that there is no liver of lives.

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@justfortoday Very cool. This can also be noticed while driving. If you look at the road or buildings etc it is very convincing you are moving. But when you look at the interior of the vehicle, relatively, it’s clear that you are not actually moving. Then you can extrapolate one more step prior in seeing that the body is like the buildings.

@electroBeam Shift from the arising perspectives to breathing from the stomach, feeling into what the energy is in a literal direct sense.

Joy / Happiness does not have an opposite, but thinking makes it so.

What would you have done as the cop instead?

Sit, relax, breathe, and feel. Use breathing from the stomach as a steadfast focal point, that way you don’t get quite as swept up, and thoughts & feelings can come and go. When you experience this you begin to see there is no reason to avoid thought or feeling, and that the avoidance is the suffering. From the ‘sitting with it’ and seeing that all thoughts & feelings come and go and can not actually hurt you, you’ll feel much more in control, and will not look to masturbation to be in control of how you feel. Upon sitting with a few times, and breathing through it rather than avoiding you will see there is no anxiety and thoughts are not intrusive. This will reduce if not completely illuminate any ruminating or overthinking which is a focus & energy drainer. You control it so to speak, by no longer fearing it, and you’ll inevitably no longer identify with it. You will then no longer be bored, and will not be procrastinating. Through the embracing of feeling and the filling up of the body with feeling, there will be so much you want to experience, that you won’t have enough time to experience it in ten lifetimes.

Consider seeing blueprints of Disneyland, experiencing Disneyland, and appearing as Disneyland while enjoying Disneyland eternally. Imagine rides there in which you forget and remember that you are Disneyland. If you’re appearing as Disneyland and experiencing yourself as such, there isn’t anything left to conceptualize or understand. It’d just be, you. If a concept of Disneyland is mistaken to be Disneyland, it’d be missed that all there is is Disneyland. It’d be like standing in Disneyland looking at a blueprint believing that’s it, without looking around.

@LastThursday

@whatthefucksgoinon After awakening, there are no more thoughts.

@peqkno Just suggest he looks up the definition of conspiracy.

No worries. In all fairness though, if you don’t read it you can’t really comment on what was said. I mean, obviously you can, but I think you get what I mean. I wish ya all the best.

@Martin123 Thank you, I get what you’re saying now. I think we have different understandings of the term spirituality. To me, spirituality denotes being on the path of discovery of The Truth. It is distinguishable from religion in the sense the intention is not to learn and believe dogma, but to discover the actual Truth. The completion, or ‘full circle’ of this path requires not only inquiring through the entirety of direct experience, but the entirety of self and reality which the words direct experience point to. So, though it seems clear that we ‘see’, or ‘understand’, or ‘hold’ ‘spirituality’ differently, I do not see how spirituality could be ‘used’. I can understand how the thought of spirituality could be used to bypass & repress, but not the actuality of what the path entails, or, the ‘completion’ of the path, if you will. In getting back to the thread at hand, you can see that you have injected the term ‘spirituality’. This thread is a rather personal sharing, and an invitation for others to do the same, which I was happy to do. I could see where it can serve others not only in relatability, but perhaps in deriving a ‘nugget’, or, an insight or two. I can elaborate on the other things I mentioned if you like, and how these played a role, but the first thing I mentioned was loa. The reason I typed “it seemed “ when mentioning my dad was always stressed about work, is because through loa it was realized that work was not the source of his stress & suffering as he believed it to be. He, was the source of his stress & suffering. This was realized as I realized that I am the source of my stress & suffering. This sheds some light on the other terms you injected...”cope”, “childhood trauma”, “all the neglect”, and “pain”. These terms, or words, like spirituality, were not utilized by me, or the op, but by you. As I understand with great clarity that the source of all of my dad’s stress & anger was, and is, the love that I am, I was able to not only heal, but have some great conversations with him (and my mom too) which resulted in their letting go of many limiting beliefs, which resulted in their healing, not from or by me of course, but via the ‘reconnecting’ with, or the ‘re-membering’ of, our source. This source is never found in a past or future, as this love is always present. It is what this experience, this present, or ‘now’ quite literally is, and it is none other than what I am. Loa is a very direct experience based teaching as a pointing. It can be misunderstood, mildly understood, and Absolutely understood. That is to say, loa can be ‘carried out’ to the extent it is realized that one is the literal creator of the universe, and is in kind attracting, which is another word for creating, the entirety of their experience, now. To realize this, is to self realize, as what is absolute. To ‘do’ so, one goes much much deeper, than what could be said to presently be childhood traumas of a past, what could presently be projected as neglect, and what could presently be dualized by the finite mind as pain. This is not to say those present concepts would not be addressed, understood, fully felt and healed, but far far more. In the purifying, or healing, of one’s own present conceptualization of these from the body mind, they indeed are actually, quite literally, purified. Which is to say, there is no longer the discord between thought & feeling, and as such there are no longer these beliefs, as there never was a past nor identity. If you have not yet arrived at this ‘full circle’, please understand that I am not implying you ‘should be’, or that you ‘should’ understand what I’m saying. If you had, or have childhood trauma, neglect, and pain, I sincerely wish you only the direct knowing, or we might say ‘feeling’, of Ourself. It is very important to recognize what the words ‘direct experience’ point to, and to shift from the finger to the moon as they say. This was what was meant by... “and stopped”. It is only in the divine healing that is intrinsically the “knowing” of “one’s true self” that these concepts which are no longer serving, are no longer perpetuated in one’s “inner world”, or projected onto one’s “outer world”. I do appreciate what you’ve shared here, as I do believe the reading of our comments has the potential to help a potential reader to realize some of these ‘nuggets’, and to heal in kind as well. If & when they do receive the healing, it of course will not come these or any word, but from ‘within’, from the creator they truly are. It is my hope that if & when this realization ultimately occurs, they will continue to create in accordance with their source, and in a manor that is constructive for everyone, consciously.

Sorry, it’s not making sense at my end, not sure what you mean.

I am not trying to imply it’s always easy, nor that all realizations occur instantly...but what is to be seen there is projection. That scenario is a thought about what you want & what you don’t, being projected onto scenarios other people may or may not be experiencing. This might sound crazy and or helpful to you (idk) but I love video games. I don’t play them very often, but lately sometimes I play Red Dead Redemption 2. I like open world games & westerns. ? Video games are a very positive thought for me. I don’t project my experience onto anyone else. Years ago, there was a sense, a feeling, that I was spending too much time playing video games. That was only relative to the knowing-feeling there was something more I was wanting to be experiencing. So, I wrote those things on my dreamboard, and am now experiencing them too. I would really consider that how you feel has nothing to do with video games, but about what you want, and writing what you want, on a dreamboard. Reality, like the birds, is ‘saying’ the same thing, over & over & over...”this present, is for you”. Receive this present bruh. Relax. Want, choose, enjoy, let all the thoughts which do not resonate with feeling, go. Those thoughts are for the birds. Sit outside, and give them to them. Let them go. The birds can handle it. They’re already flying. We’re learning how to. Judgement really is a bitch. It takes a lot of humility in letting beliefs go to realize how ‘deep down in there’ judgement really is. This is the work you are doing right now though, and it is most productive. Own the credit for the inspection work, in the sense, feel good about it! ‘There’ is the good feeling! Worth is like time, you don’t wanna believe yourself into them. You’re aware of time & worth, ‘they’re’ not aware of you. Own your proper place as awareness. Ask yourself “am I aware?”, and recognize awareness is magic, or other worldly, in that there is no ‘thing’ anywhere to be found which is anything like the awareness you are, of ‘things’. The addiction is to thoughts, attachment, not experience, not ‘things’.