Nahm

@Muhammad Jawad As in, consciousness & everything?

@Someone here If you like you can experience the aura & chakras directly and have a better understanding of what the thought body points to. It does take some open mindedness, but is most worthwhile imo.

@Superfluo Yes. There are ‘two veils’ of darkness in that sense.

@Muhammad Jawad Not. Two.

@SS10 That make sense?

@Javfly33 No, I was missing something. In hindsight, I read too much into your inquiry. I thought you were asking if it’s possible to experience through what would otherwise be considered a second point of view, or simply said, “another person’s” pov. But I see your inquiry was not of that, but more specifically, of what Leo meant.

At peace and reveling in this miracle of what is, and excited and enthusiastic for what is being created, what is coming. In lifetimes.

@Javfly33 Oh, gotcha. My bad. I thought you were asking if it’s possible to experience through another point of view. In the experience rather than identity sense.

You’ve got some things backwards which hasn’t been realized yet. “Now I feel like.....Nothing good is waiting for me and nothing in this world comforts me, nothing excites me, almost nothing brings me relief or joy”. The crux of your suffering is misinterpreting experience. That (above) is not what you feel, it’s what you think. How that perspective feels, is discord, or, suffering. It can be recognized that is a thought story about a you, and that thought story is the product of aversion to feeling. “I still hate almost everything about myself, the life I created and everything I experience in the moment.” If that perspective were accurate, it’d feel great. It’d resonate. Obviously that perspective is not resonating, and it is not actually accurate of you. (It’s of the “you” of the thought story.) The relief experienced in meditation is not because you forget who you are, it’s because you get a break from the activity of the mind, specifically from the beliefs & story about who you are, and a break from the over exertion required to keep the story about yourself going, and to suppress feeling. This is likely going to initially be upsetting to hear, but if you can breathe from your stomach and relax, you’ll see the sensation comes & goes, and you’ll be glad you did. You can also recognize you are already upset and have nothing to lose. There is Truth, and therefore, there is the experience of suffering - experiential discord with Truth. “Objectively, I am a successful person”...”I am well off”... Very relatable & understandable. I believed that once too. I understand you mean to convey such that you are not in a position of dire need, and so the suffering is not in regard to the fundamental ‘level’ of survival. Do you understand what I am saying when I say there is no objective perspective and it is delusional to continue believing that there is, and to utilize it to define yourself as a successful person who is well off? There is a certain obviousness to this, in that you are admittedly miserable. If I too held your beliefs about what it is to be a successful person, I would be miserable. What you believe to be an objective perspective is your subjective perspective, and the fact that you presently don’t know & see the difference, is indicative of the root of the suffering. This is not success, this is not being well off. This is obvious, isn’t it? It is quite possible the holding of yourself in mind in that regard spills over to also believing an “objective perspective” that you are a good doctor. If I hold the belief that a subjective perspective is objective, there would be two fall outs from this. First I would inevitably realize that I defined “good” based on what I think other people think, and or by holding myself to be the ultimate objective authority on what is good - via my own thinking. The second repercussion would be that of my wife slapping my face and telling me to wake up, God bless her. What is desired, and readily available & accessible, is the actual clarity, peace & love and that which is absolute. What is “blocking” you, is the light this clarity will shine on the facets of life you have mentioned. There can be a sense of a house of cards about to collapse, and that - through improper understanding & interpretation, such as looping through thought stories about yourself and feeling, can be nightmare-ish. But it doesn’t need to be at all.

@Kay100 Exercise, physical activity and even sex (if you and your partner are on the same page with this) @LeoX8 ?? is great to let it out / burn it off. Overall, all roads of anger lead to that one is themself the source of it, and it is discord. Anger is ultimately resolved by listening to the message therein.

You are attributing how you feel to everything else but your present perspective, and apparently suffering dearly in doing so. You’re essentially claiming the stake of hand on stove, and then asking for people to help you with the refrigerator, kitchen sink, dining room table, toilet in the bathroom, etc. If a thought doesn’t feel good, doesn’t resonate, focus elsewhere. Focusing on it for three months would seem ‘haunting’, but you would be the “ghost”.

? This is it. No one is coming.

Best of ‘both worlds’. ??

@Thought Art ???

@Vadiminator The mind is hijacking what is otherwise not a problem. This can be cleared up. What was the catalyst to this occurring, and what was your foundation like prior to it?

What exactly would consciousness remember?

What does nonduality point to, in relation to the word consciousness?

@Javfly33 In what scenario would it not be? Your title is very specific. Are you talking about direct experience, or another belief / assumption? I’ll leave it to that.

Well, not two. Yet on one hand you seem to be asking if it can be deduced, realized, or assumed that there is one observer and many points of view so to speak, or if it is possible to literally experience the looking through a discernibly experientially second point of you / point of view, aware that this is the case as the same awareness. Like you as awareness knowing the experience of looking through Javfly33 and in the same apparent lifetime, aware as awareness through the “Nahm” / or another point of view.

@Cammy You are the awareness of the thought “I”. This can be double checked by claiming you are not aware of the thought “I”, and laughing.

@SamC But how is that working out?

@Javfly33 Do you believe in nouns & pronouns, or do you recognize these are just thoughts, words learned for communicating? Do words really identify anything? If you had a lucid dream, and everything was really you (the ‘dream substance of youness’) in that dream, there’d still be a use for words, communication, nouns & pronouns, etc. Though since there would be no separate things (all dream substance) this would only be for communicating, and of course, creating & co-creating. This would be the case for a non-lucid dream as well, it just would be missed.

Cause you are always, amazing.

Good Love Is On The Way. (just gonna leave this here)

@Someone here Never. Allegedly I was when I was some body. Woke folk have written of this you know. Who Did You Think I Was? I got half a smile and zero shame I got a reflection with a different name Got a brand new blues I can't explain Who did you think I was Every mornin when the day begins I make up my mind but change it back again I'm a shifter of the shape I'm in Who did you think I was You got my number but I always knew the score Who did you think I was Am I the one who plays the quiet songs Is He the one who turns the ladies on Will I keep shinin til my light is gone? Who did you think I was You got my number but I always knew the score Who did you think I was Here is a line that you won't understand I'm half of the boy but twice the man Carry the weight of the world in the palm of my hand Who did you think I was John Mayer