Nahm

@At awe That there is a thinker, is a thought, not a thinker.

This is from the perspective there is a you which is separate and alive. Nothing wrong with the perspective per se, but you are what the perspective is made of, and not the abstraction it appears, to be about. The “Cosmic Joke”. Or if you like, there are already no layers, there is only “godhead”, or, there is already not two which could merge. What appears as the thought that there are two, is already, One. The ‘substance’ you might say, what the thought is ‘made of’, ‘bliss’.

@Moksha ...or rather... it really, really seemed as if it came to mind.

We get out of this fight, you gonna help me wrap my hands. Stitching up my eyes, you know blood can blind. And them was big old boys, had fists like cinder and stone. I dodge a blade on the dime, and they was out to cut my throat. It's a lot, It's a mark, they're gonna press down on you. It's a haze on my head, must've been hit too hard, off guard, I think I'm gonna be it tonight. If there's one way out, it's to swing my way through the crowd. Is there a blanket of pain, that I can wrap up in? You've got a hold of me now, hey that's a helluva grip. And I admit I was tight, and you could say I was pissing gin. It's hard to see even if I close my eyes! It's fifteen degrees I'm gonna sleep outside! Cos I got no way to feel and no way to write I'm busted laid up, and dry... but you should’ve seen the other guy.

@Moksha Good chance I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying...but the uncertainty principle comes to mind, and thus I can’t be sure.

@seeking_brilliance It’s just one more part mahn, same as the rest. @Vision Also, all day, any time...awareness of perception & sensation in the body. A momentum of a change in experience ‘itself’ does get underway, of less focus on thinking, and more feeling, more not knowing what things are, and yet more interest & curiosity. Awareness of, and feeling breathing from the stomach can be practiced all day as well, and is in a way a short cut. Takes a little faith, a little letting go, but momentum is actual. Also, try some earbuds and meditation with some ‘for you by you’ songs like this one.

@Vision First this... You can think of me as well. I actually do love you, and find love to be a different order of reality, beyond whatever we think, believe, experience, do, etc. I love you! As far as different meditations, Lovingkindness is oriented to loving, and self love.

This is like going on a trip and telling the ego to take the wheel. Every thought, perspective, and interpretation that doesn’t feel good, doesn’t align with your true nature, which is your compass, must be let go. Not gripped tightly in the name of the quest. Motivation by fear is the literal focus on fear. This is like seeking self understanding by only looking in misunderstanding. Focused on fear you can not see any truth. Focused on joy, love, understanding, letting go of what does not serve you or resonate, relaxation of the mind...the true nature is already present in you and with you in your endeavor to know it more deeply. “What you seek is seeking you”. - Rumi

Brain is a thought, a belief, and is not perception.

@Ima Freeman “As a kid, I was hyperactive, daydreaming all the time and did not really follow the instructions of my parents or teachers. This lead to my parents (mother and especially my stepfather) shouting to me, dragging me around, hitting me and locking me up in my room (rarely). I didn't understand why and developed a deep hate.” I think that section, specifically the bold part, is the root, and that root is fueling the rumination & overthinking, which is the entire content of the rest of the original post. Emotional misunderstanding at an early age can potentially fuel years of rumination and eventual ‘dark thoughts’. We can never think perception, and we can never perceive thoughts...but the mind can twist that up in long periods of distress, creating very vivid thoughts. The interpretation in bold is that your behaviors led to your parents behaviors towards you. It absolutely did not actually happen that way, and this is important because it is a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire experience of reality and specifically of people & relationships. Reality does not work the way you interpreted it. That is the core belief, or core misinterpretation, and the root of all of the troublesome thoughts. Their behaviors are indicative of their life & experience, and are basically emotional misunderstandings / reactions playing out on autopilot. (I’m not excusing or condoning their behavior toward you. It is obviously harmful & violent.) They reacted in harm and violence because of where they were at, so to speak, at the time. Most essentially, because of how they thought about themselves. Not, about you. Their bond of love for you was hard for them, because it is such a powerful love, which is in absolute contrast to the way they thought about themselves. That misinterpretation does not and will not jive with your heart, with who you really are. When you feel the intense discord between those, you call the experience of the feeling of that discord, “hate”. It was not your fault. It was their fault, if anyone is to be blamed. They did not address their own relationship with their heart, with who they really are, and lived asleep in the emotional reactions. If you grew up in my household and were hyperactive & daydreaming all the time, didn’t like following instruction from others & had genuine distaste for authority, I would high five you, and my wife & I would have called you “our little entrepreneur”. If I was living your parents life, I’d be behaving exactly like them. Unless I recognized that living in emotional reaction equals suffering... as emotional reaction is really just another reaction, causation, cause & effect. That makes for the interpretation that I am a ‘thing’ among ‘things’ of the world, without me realizing this is my misinterpretation, of myself. Because who you really are is most definitely not a thing among things, that belief will flat out reek havoc in terms of the relationship with your inner being, or, true nature, and overall emotional well being. In believing yourself to be a ‘thing’, you identify as only a person, believe you were born, and believe in death. The entirety of this would be misinterpretation, misunderstanding, and misidentification...with the root being that original misinterpretation of human behavior and love. No one could rightfully expect that you could have known a more accurate interpretation as an innocent child. Nonetheless, the discord with your true nature was felt, because you really are, who you really are, no matter how you interpret. It is why harming, violence, and hate, feel so terrible. Because they do not align with who any of us really are. We all feel this, yet are very reluctant to change interpretations...precisely because...of the emotional reactions. In labelling the feeling “hate”, believing in causation, and identifying based on misunderstanding, the belief in fear is heightened, acting as more gas on the fire of the rumination. Understanding, specifically self & emotional understanding stands to make all the difference that unfortunately many other avenues did not. These behaviors go on because there is widespread self & emotional misunderstanding. The more people inspect hate, the more people realize it was their belief, misunderstanding of themselves, and misinterpretation of reality. It will take patience and understanding but you will understand and interpret in joyful alignment with your source. As misinterpretation becomes understanding, more and more of the true nature surfaces in feeling, bringing about more & more great feeling perspectives, and more & more understanding. You will live a more fulfilling & amazing life than you know, and you will be a force to recon with for all believers of hate. Not that I have a crystal ball or anything, that is just how this place works. You’ve been through hell, but you are still the true nature, still absolute innocence.

“Brains of conscious” just feels off and sounds backwards.

@Someone here I don't know.

@neutralempty It can.

Why not ...what? Not sure what you’re saying. Can you elaborate a bit?

@mandyjw ? Not to imply by the way, that I have the capacity to actually understand a woman. Even within ourself I do see the violence of this place, and recognize a certain ordain timing of all things. I’ve see what’s been missing all around, in my own home, in my mind, in my heart, and everywhere & on every channel I turn. I know who’s seeing through the cam of Kamala, I see what works in Sahle-Work, and our turn in Ardern, the Phoenix that is the angels of our murk, in the Angela Merkel’s. I see what’s so sorely needed arising and it is an even yet more pure joy, imo, a more-wholeness in my experience. I’m humbled by the era, the revolution, the finite and infinite beauty of this. While ineffable, it looks at me in clarity, and I look at it in the humbled purity of a long overdue and most obvious truth. I’d even go so far as to reference the second coming, and even acknowledge had it been done proper, it’d have been the first.

@Ima Freeman If there is the willingness and interest to elaborate how, what you don’t get, the liberation (feeling how you really want to be feeling) will follow.

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What are some high-quality, high-consciousness resources for understanding women? The greatest resource for understanding women is of course God. Meditation, letting mind chatter go, and simply listening to a woman is best. Odds are she has never experienced this before in her life, and recognizes the distinction between a “listener”, and being heard for the first time. That experience is magical and divine, and unfortunately it is highly, highly likely, she will attribute this feeling as coming from you. Good luck with that. The experience of the absence of the mind chatter, that of you effortlessly enjoyably saying “all the right things” will make this ever more difficult. Godspeed.

What, like all ‘other’ vibration, is happiness. Appears to be a ‘thought’ as well.

These judging thoughts are energy zappers because it is the creation of discord with truth, with you. When you experience a self referential thought, you’re the awareness of it, not what it’s about. This is why “how lazy I am” doesn’t resonate. You are ‘not that’. Keep believing thoughts like that, and you keep recreating the discord, and are not creating what you want to be creating. Feeling matters, not concepts about yourself. It’s as if you’re vacuuming a floor, not noticing the vacuum is not plagued in. You can do that, but no much gets done. Notice the slippery slope self referential thinking. It’s led into a thought story about yourself as a physical object in time. This is the creating of even more discord because who you really are is fully knowing there are no physical objects or time. You are the entirety, the whole, of experience. The apparent physicality is apparent. Then notice that self referential thinking led to the question about you...”forcing”...a....”myself”. You are yourself. There is not a separate self, which you, could force. Meditation , the non-self-referential-thinking. If you feel you’d like to change this, rather than thinking about a “yourself”...make a dreamboard and discover thoughts are for creating. This mugglry is not becoming of you Harry.

@BartekD Experience the perception & sensation of wiggling your fingers. Then explain how you perform such a miracle. When it is inevitably humbly realized there is no actual explanation at all, that it is pure spontaneous unexplainable ‘magic’ (and the explanations are just thoughts arising)...that wiggly thingy is recognized as what the words perception, or perhaps, ‘creator-creation-creating’ point to. If you like, reply. As you do, type one letter and pause for a few seconds, then the next letter and so on. How are you moving those fingers as you type? Rather than seeking a special creative state, perhaps magic was already previously overlooked. Now try to not be creator-creation-creating. (Good luck ‘not being’ )

There’s no thinker thinking, nor a thinker not thinking, only the thought that there is. Likewise, and perhaps relevant, there is no ‘succeeder’ or ‘one who succeeds’, nor a ‘failer’, or ‘one who fails’. Likewise there is no one which starts over. (All just thoughts.) A self referential thought is a thought which is about what is aware of thoughts, which can never actually be thought. (Also just thoughts). Thoughts are ‘things’. The Enlightened One is No Thing. Awareness Of Thoughts Meditation

Can a mirage have a desert by analyzing it’s water? Can a desert tell a mirage what a desert is?

@Andrewww You got it. ?? Self Inquiry

@Ima Freeman Peaceful mind is the default, the given, the fundamental actuality, reality as it is. Peaceful mind is never a place or state one can get to, achieve, or create. This is like building a device with your hands designed to allow your hands to be at rest. It could go on forever unfortunately, because it is the wrong direction. Likewise, we could never create enough war to discover peace. War is the effort in the aversion of listening to feeling. Peace is effortless. Every thing is actually a thought, thought is an appearance of peace, appearing or arising only ever, now. The story of a me and past is actually the arising of thoughts, now. The story of a physical self and world is thoughts which only ever arise, now. Now = Peace. The most horrific movie possible experienced by a viewer fully knowing it is a movie is not really experienced by a ‘viewer’ at all, but by peacefulness ‘itself’, our infinite Being, our source. Only via attachment to thought is there “a viewer” which convinces himself he is a separate physical self in the movie, and there is then the seeming loss of the true nature of Being, or, peaceful mind. Peaceful mind is abundantly available in every moment. The truth indeed sets us free, and honest expression, emptying, is the way. When emptying of emotional misunderstanding arises to be purified out - thought attachment hijacks & suppresses it again, and again, and again, and again. The intellect knows no bounds, no limit to it’s hijackery, and can only surrender to it’s true nature, the substance it is made of, the only reality of “itself”, Peace, Being. There isn’t ‘someone out there’ judging you for anything. These are thoughts which arise only now. Talk to a non-viewer, not someone stuck in a movie of thoughts. Experience that directly for yourself so to speak. A movie about this experience won’t do. Relinquish what has seemed to become a big dark secret of identity. “Be like melting snow, wash yourself of yourself”. - Rumi