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@Conscious life Nothing can really be said to be infinity.

“Consciousness is the one thing in this universe that can not be an illusion.” -“Sam Harris”

@Keyhole Yeah. Super nice.

This was the conclusion they came to. Yes, thank you.

Feelin the love as well thanks. ? Yes, just because it feels better. It makes more sense the more you do it. Thoughts aren’t good & bad really. Breath work is great for slowing things down, and seeing what’s happening. Begin with the related thoughts you are aware of, trauma, and social situations. DO things that feel good to you, that I lift your vibration. Then look at your perspectives and thoughts about those topics and choose a better feeling thought using the scale. If therapy resolves problems, and you are experiencing problems, go to therapy and resolve the problems.? If meditating and letting thoughts & perspectives which don’t resonate with you go, like problems, deep stuff, and what can’t be done, then you don’t have problems, deep stuff, and can do anything you want. All roads lead to the body releasing conditioning, some cries, more insights, more clarity, some really amazing feelings, and making a dreamboard. Try therapy, meditation, releasing conditioning, & a dreamboard. You can do anything that feels good to you. Maybe exorcising, singing, writing. Anything. Look forward to experiencing all or any, it’s all for your feeling better. Give this a read, let me know if you have any questions.

The latter then the prior. She ‘mirrored’ and ‘struck back’ with victimization. For sure. Collective consciousness wise it’s the whole club. Not yet. Lookin forward to it though. ? ? I don’t know really, so hard to say.

@Tal Glad you liked it! What you’re describing sounds in some ways like the opposite of what Abe teaches. Addressing feeling is first & foremost, by choosing a better feeling thought to raise your vibration. Thoughts experienced which don’t feel good to you, are addressed by using the emotional scale, rather than thought to be of social relevance. Just for how you feel. Give the scale a try with any thoughts that don’t feel good to you. Love to hear back!

Yes! Rings very true. On one occasion it had ‘seeped in’ to the spouse. She was mirroring more or less and didn’t realize it because it was a creeping in overtime. She was crying and kept saying “I forgot who I was!”. It was such a powerful & weird mix, expression wise of anger and love. Appreciating the input. This makes it a lot clearer to me in hindsight. I have noticed a prevalent theme that is unique, which your comment brought to mind. All three were compulsive comparers, but didn’t suspect everyone else was not inner monologuing the same way. Took a minute for them to untangle, because they felt bad for the comparing thought, yet masked it to themself deriving a sense of superiority. They literally thought this was typical of everyone, and that most people hid it, and they didn’t, which fed into the superiority complex. Messy. ?

@Preety_India Thank you. Very clarifying. I have seen the uniquely reoccurring theme of increasing avoidance of relationships and social settings, and that makes a lot more sense now. Unfortunately those I’ve talked with didn’t address it until their relationships and or health had reached a critical point. The hypersensitive vs sensitivity makes more sense. There’s a weird theme (from like, only three people in my limited direct experience) in that they are actually proud, or affirmative of the behavior, which is interesting. They truly believe their own behavior is that of other people’s. But maybe they don’t actually and the facade is just fooling me. Hard to say. You are right though. More sensitivity with other people, more social interaction, and more sensitive in regard to their ‘inner talk’ makes the big change, and in the healing from within sense the body changes trajectory’s. The seem to either die or inevitably choose how they feel over what they think of themself.

A parent is suffering but suppresses rather than inspects. Their child creates an idea of who they are, like all kids, but it includes who ‘they must be’ based on unknowingly coping with the emotional suppression of themself and the parent. The child grows up doubly suppressing, and doubly copes by creating an over inflated self image. The become stuck in an inner tug of war between seeking the good feeling, and upholding that self image. They inevitably choose how they feel over their concept of themself, either from the toll this takes on their relationships, or their health. The hypersensitive part still eludes me. They seem to go from non-sensitive to realizing sensitivity, understanding & changing behaviors, and the body of course follows in terms of healing from within. As to why they would have let it go so long, there is a unique increasing avoidance of people and relationships, due to the opportunity for self understanding. Maybe you mean they are hypersensitive toward others, in terms of mechanisms like deflection & projection...?

@SamC Great share. Good to bring into the light and understand. In the vein of dealing with this societally it’s important to keep the following in mind... “While it's true that the recipients of the most annoying of the narcissist's traits—an inflated sense of self-importance, an overwhelming need for admiration and a lack of empathy toward others—suffer emotionally...the narcissist himself actually suffers physically from higher levels of the stress hormone cortisol...perhaps it's the pressure of trying to keep up a front: narcissists, although they come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious, often feel fragile and humiliated on the inside. “ https://www.healthywomen.org/content/blog-entry/narcissism-bad-your-health Like many psychological issues involving a front, it’s important to recognize the suffering going on as what is seen & heard most often tells the opposite story, which can be manipulative or intimidating without the understanding and knowledge of what to look for. It’s also important imo, to be mindful of the distinction that the behaviors do not define the entity. Seeing who one really is, through the behaviors can be very empowering, especially if one is inclined to help. @SamC @ivankiss @NoSelfSelf @Keyhole @Preety_India Maybe you guys can offer some clarity... I’ve worked with narcissism in sessions and found much healing & change in being more sensitive. With others, but more specifically in terms self talk / inner monologue. Every time (so far) there was a physically limiting ailment which got worse over time, and they ‘hardened’ in ignoring it, rather than being hypersensitive. It has always turned out to be a previously un-inspected unresolved offshoot of a parent(s) / upbringing. So I’m finding the hypersensitive and narcissist facets to be at odds. What am I missing there? Thanks!

@cannedsoup Happy to help. Here’s the link again just in case you missed it. I would give them a once over. One will ‘click’. Enjoy!

I’ve broken many bones and had hundreds of stitches. Broken both collar bones twice even. Might seem very counterintuitive, but I don’t cope. I find coping to perpetuate. I instead feel it, release it, let it go from mind, and focus on what does feel good to me. I found the Buddha’s teachings of the distinction between pain & suffering most insightful. Wishing you the best.

It’s not about the thoughts, it’s about the body releasing conditioning. “Pushing through” is a conditioned mindset to let go of. Relaxation is meditative. Meditation is relaxing. Letting go is effortless, not effortful. When emotional misunderstanding releases, have a good cry and let it out. If you can’t, write about how you feel, and let it out. If you can’t, talk to someone and express how you feel, and let it out. There is no “facing radical truth”, “metaphysical suicide”, etc. It can seem like it from years of conditioning & suppressing. We adapt and don’t notice this, so it can be a lot to let go of. But that’s the point, and the more you let go of, the better you feel, and the less you fear. The radical truth is love, loving you, flushing the conditioning out. A mindset of ‘facing it’ is making an opposition of it. The ‘scared’ is emotional suppressing. The emotional scale is a great way to understand. It’s empowering to be able to move up the scale, to know how and do it anytime. Like riding a bike, it becomes second nature with some practice & understanding. The body mind eventually does it automatically as needed in subtle ways. It’s most worthwhile. It’s also not about faith, determination or conviction. It’s about beginning to feel, remaining present, or returning to being present again & again. The more you feel and understand yourself, with tools like the emotional scale, the clearer it is that there is no problem or anything to be scared of. It’s good that it’s coming up...notice the mind’s narrative, which essentially is the habit of suppressing the feeling, and let it out. Try a variety of meditations, one will ‘click’ with you. Don’t try to ‘force’ one style or practice into place. One of those meditations will ‘click’ ‘subconsciously’ with a specific suppressed emotion. This kind of does the work ‘behind the scenes’ for you in a big way.

@cannedsoup More or less, yes. There’s a link with some meditations if you’re interested. Some of the details might be insightful or helpful.

Meanwhile...God fucks around in forrest.

Gorgeous.

@Frenk Thank you! ??

Ism. Lucidity.

@Frenk See the best in everything & everyone everyday. All excuses not to will naturally come up and out. No expectation of permanent shifts. Just actual you. No games. Goodness. ♥️ The Goodness IS you, There is no “you” which awakens.

“We should really honour the diversity of contemplative practices that are available, because they all do different things, and people would have a much better chance of matching what they need, if they had a bigger buffet of choices.” Each person should choose the best technique – and the correct “dose” – for their particular situation, rather than doggedly pursuing a plan that is not working. Found one resonating passage in that article. ?? Meditations Someone should let them know about this... The Emotional Scale.

See the best in everything & everyone everyday. All excuses not to will come up and out. No findable permanent shifts. Just actual you. No games. Goodness. ♥️

@Loving Radiance And This. ?

Enjoy the trips, also, inspect beliefs, uncover assumptions. Consider looking to what is actual in direct experience, rather than thinking & believing about it. Unwrap ‘the now’ like a present. Maybe this is the oneness consciousness and you’re assuming it isn’t? What then is the ‘wrapping paper’? Maybe you’re busied trying to convince yourself of concepts, but haven’t noticed there are not two of you? It would be more sensible to be trying to convince someone else. Incessant thinking & beliefs are like a movie. Directly experiencing awareness is like directly experiencing the screen, without the screens activity of being a movie. You, prior to birth, conditioning, identifying, assumptions, beliefs, etc. Do Nothing meditation begins with the notion that this is already the oneness consciousness. In this light the veiling activity of the mind is readily spotted. When this occurs it is often recommended one practices meditation oriented toward quieting the mind, and grounding in feeling, and returning to Do Nothing at a later point. The difference between thinking & believing, and actually feeling source, is like the difference between the thought of shitting yourself, and the universe literally shitting ‘your’ self. The meditative mind receives insights, in the peaceful clarity where the thinking & believing used to be. Without inspecting thoughts, assumptions, etc, that carousel of twoness just keep spinning, and one doesn’t notice one is on it. One wouldn’t even know there is a matrix. Wouldn’t know what ‘sneakiness’, or ‘authentic’ point to. Imagine if right now you suddenly hilariously delightfully realized you’ve been madly, wildly, insanely, viscerally head over heals in love for a couple decades - but just now noticed for the first time. Imagine the wonder and awe, and also the shocking profundity you’d experience as to how it is possible that you somehow ever missed this, until just now. And twenty seconds later it slips away, and you’re back on the carousel, none the wiser, not knowing there is a matrix. It varies greatly depending on who you ask, which is why only a peaceful clear mind & direct experience will do.

@Javfly33 ...What @abrakamowse said is of course accurate, only direct experience will do. Sharing wise, I directly experience this and have been for quite a while. Admittedly funny but I didn’t know how to refer to it when it first happened, so I called it ‘whoosh’ or ‘whooshing’. If you search whoosh there are some old posts. That’s just what it felt like and the word that came to mind. It’s amazing feeling and in hindsight I’d say it’s ideal to be ok with the non-locality of yourself. Again, just sharing, and respectfully, only direct experience will do, but I’ve experienced it both ways. Me whooshing into someone else, and someone else whooshing into me. I also experience this with people as other people, from other times or past lives showing stuff to me, to show to them. I readily admit this sounds crazy and is unbelievable. I don’t even believe in time or past lives. It wasn’t something I’d even thought of and it wasn’t something I tried. The first time it just happened, and like any other experience much is “known” in the hindsight of having experienced it. I believe meditation & psychedelics were the biggest part of opening the mind, and then Reiki classes were a big part of developing (which really is just being there and it happens) siddhis etc with other people non-trip wise. There’s no more a me ‘doing it’ than there is sharing this. Might be helpful to someone. Tried to ‘push’ a bit on this thread admittedly but didn’t seem like anyone was interested in exploring. I try to be most mindful & respectful to the maker of the threads /asker of the question because it expands reality, but don’t want to be too ‘pushy’. Always a fine line.