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Oh goodness yes. Conditioning is sneakier than water, it’ll find every single nook and cranny way in. It’ll claim it’s being done in other times, by other selves, and even other worlds. It’s a truly limitless phenomena. It’ll use people in every possible way. Recruiting others to share the suffering, and or believing others are the cause of it, or have something to do with it. This appears to be so common that i took some time and made a webpage aimed at helping with this. Conditioning even has folks believing infinite being is their thought water. It’s outrageously wild. Definitely do that. Also check out the emotional scale. That is the whole point of understanding and using it.

@NoN-RaTiOnAL Awesome. I once had a lucid dream I was watching a movie at the theater, and in the movie there was a tiny old black & white TV set that was playing a commercial about a my life, like an advertisement. It was like a subscription, timeshare deal where you had to invest and buy into it, “for your future” was kinda their big pitch. I remember wondering why anyone would buy what is already the actuality. Anyways, funniest commercial I ever saw in my life.

What does one say to the man who can find competition even in his own breath.

@Cireeric And how are Consciousness / God & the ego / identification the same? ‘Where’ would you suppose that observer / stillness / I Amness ‘goes’... ‘when’ that activity of the mind is present: ‘more’ & ‘less’, ‘closer’ & ‘farther’, ‘I’ & ‘ego’, ‘my’ ‘identification’, ‘earthly person’, ‘story’s’, ‘appearance’, etc...? Great that you’re meditating...have you wondered why that word ‘meditation’ suggests; ‘the middle’ way?

@Jodo Awareness of intelligence & knowledge.

@NoN-RaTiOnAL Beautiful share! Notice thinking about yourself is the suffering, because there is no thinker thinking thoughts...just the thought that there is. Focused on what you want to create and experience (such as by using a dreamboard) experience completely changes as to the ‘relationship’ with thoughts. Emotion is expressed, “thinking” is recognized as insights arising, assisting you in your adventure of creating, and the expressing of preferences. This would have been interpreted differently... Listen to feeling, rather than label it. Inspect, what is this ‘my life’ you believe in? Actually look for it. Notice how suppressing feeling led to over intensifying thought & perception with ‘visuals’, as compared to embracing the actuality of feeling. Denial, labeling of, rejection of feeling is suffering. Think about people who experience psychosis, which is a word for chronic emotional suppression and denial of the suffering which suppression of expression is... Then there is this much heavier labelling of the whole experience in avoidance of emotional expression & release.

@Bazooka Jesus Hey! Nobody cares bout the truth. Knock that off! @Jodo ‘Go to’ the self you speak of. Actually find it.

Awakened = there’s no ‘you’ nor ‘your ego’. “Clinging as much to your ego” = thought attachment = pretending there’s a separate self. You’re actually supporting your suffering with complicated theories and models which have nothing to do with thought attachment.

People are an appearance of consciousness. Consciousness is not something people possess or have. That is the materialist paradigm, thought attachment, the illusion of the separate self, misidentification...subject which has the object “consciousness”...separate of infinite consciousness. Inspect direct experience, you’ll find no separations at all.

All sounds fine.

That is this. It’s already the actuality, the Good News. As above so below. Might have a belief or two, some misinterpretation, misunderstanding, and or misidentification at play.

What are you talking about when you say Consciousness/God and ego/form? What’s the difference in your direct experience? What do you mean by the absolute sense as Consciousness/God? Why are you capitalizing certain letters arbitrarily?

This... What is hearing...literally, what is sound, and the experience of hearing? What does it even mean, “I’ve heard”? How do you know there’s a they, and that this they understands? You’ve no direct experience of this. What’s everything? How could everything turn back into itself, if everything is already everything? Who’s getting an image? What’s an image? What’s meant by “getting”? What’s an “it”? You probably use that word all day without considering what “it” is. How does an “it” come full circle? What or who says you ‘must’ do anything? What’s one? What does ‘getting to’ mean...says who? What’s a stage? Without inspecting these assumptions, maybe you are actually hearing nothing. What is “I”? What is understanding? What in the world makes you believe there is a “Truth”?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Koestler It’s where we all live. Apparently.

We all feel a little Chippy sometimes, but only one of them is aware of the thoughts.

@Marvelllious You could grow a plant. Maybe some vegetables. Even a beard probably. If you can actually find your consciousness, then by all means, grow it. Otherwise, listen to your intuition, not fools. By “fools”, I mean anyone which pretends to supersede, your own intuition. Don’t be a fool, either.

@kray Most likely you just need to relax, ‘get out of your own head’. Let thinking go, and do it only for the experience of it. Doing something else prior to the sex, something you and her enjoy that is simple and fun stands to help a lot. Simple stuff...a walk, a board game, a video game, a movie, whatever...just orientation to for fun and for the experience, nothing more. If the thought - ‘simply because you want to enjoy the experience of it’ doesn’t resonate, then consider it might be that you are not oriented sexually to woman. If that thought doesn’t resonate, then it’s definitely letting thinking go and enjoy the right now experience.

Nope. Age plays no role at all.

@Carl-Richard I’m just the best at deluding myself. You’ll never top me.

Some teachers refer to this as state chasing, some teachers insist you must, but ultimately, wether no mind is a state, is up to you. Chase away. Run rabbit, run. I don’t mind at all. One is never actually listening to anyone else, only one’s own intuition actually. The head game is always a foot.

Religion is just you callin you home, same as every thing else. ?

@Valwyndir ?? Appreciating you.

I don’t think I’ve ever shared anything via a thread in this section. It’s always struck me as heavy on the ‘pick up’ perspective or mentality, with often subtle intentions of ‘gaming’ people. This has always seemed to me to be a disingenuous masculine sentiment aimed at woman, and the ‘winning’ / ‘scoring’ aspect of this just never ‘clicked’ or resonated. I recently saw this video and it resonated very much, so I thought I’d share it. Great work Conner, very beautiful to see ime.

Maybe a week to a month would be my guess, but it’s more about the emptying & expressing than a time frame of course. Express enough, and ya might not even see the practice of self inquiry the same way.

@allislove Omg nailed it.