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Imagine watching the movie Groundhog’s day, but twelve times, each time with a different actor narrating a totally different script / narration. Morgan Freeman, with a spiritual affirming narrative. A Matthew McConaughey narration where he just basically makes everything sound cooler and more interesting, etc. Then notice, it’s the same movie regardless of the narrative. You’re being you....and...some thoughts are arising. The thought might be about wether or not you’re being you, but you’re being you alright. Being yourself is not vulnerable, is the only power there is.

@Flowerfaeiry I tend to agree. Though that is what you are saying, and not what I said or am saying. Recognizing “body” is a thought is not at all disassociation, nor is it confusing, it’s clarifying because it’s true. Believing the thought “body” is a separate thing or object, (and or identifying with a thought) is utter disassociation and confusion of what is actual, oneness, nonduality, the true nature, and very confusing to the potential of understanding feeling, emotion, & perception. (All intended just as ‘pointers’ here) In response to the inquiry in the original post.... Nonduality ‘means’ not two. The questioner is directly asking about the relationship between consciousness and the body and mind, in the sentiment that infinite being needs or could need the body mind, (and is likely asking because these thoughts feels off)... while there is no such ‘thing’ as a body mind, just the thoughts, ‘body’, and ‘mind’. Things are not being denied here. ‘Things’ is a thought, a label. There are not separate things. That is true, and that is being communicated (pointed to) here. The pointing term ‘nonduality’ can also be considered in regard to the idea of a duality of ‘ultimate sense’ and ‘relative sense’. Direct experience is absolutely perfectly consistent (until it isn’t).

@longusername12345 I had a very similar experience with so many meditations ‘out there’ and wrote an explanation of what imo is the most ‘basic’ or fundamental facets of the practice that you might find easy and clarifying.

@Samuel Garcia The same applies to “enlightenment”, if thoughts were to be applied.

@Carl-Richard Great stuff. ??

@EternalDream Yep!

What does change something in yourself mean? You’re already appearing as the thoughts & as perception. So, not something you can do.... ... focus on what you want. Not in your head so to speak, but on a dreamboard in front of you. Then you are aware of what you want, consciously creating, and reality is appearing as it. Then you are aware of the gap; thoughts which are not aligned with what’s on your board. Close the gap by recognizing the guidance of feeling, and focusing on a better feeling thought. Feel the alignment as you do ? and use the emotional scale & tools of expression for any ‘stuckness’.

@AdamR95 Regarding what was ‘seen’ in satori, how many of you are there? The thoughts that don’t feel good, are not about you. They’re about an idea of you, as a separate entity and physical object in time. So they feel, off. One way to go, is ‘oh, that thought feels off because I’m literally more fucking awesome than could be comprehended’. In a loose ‘organization’ sense, I refer to these as ‘self referential thoughts’. Makes it easier to spot them...as the awareness of them.

@goldpower123 There was a belief you need to be different (inner growth) and activity which satisfied it. But the belief in the first place might not have been addressed, and so it seems it came back around again. To add a little structure around the reference, it’s like skipping contentment when using the emotional scale.

@Flowerfaeiry Not adopting a belief is not a denial of what’s believed. That is btw precisely what it means, and not sure what these should’s of teaching is. ?

@Someone here Sorry to hear that man, I really am. Definitely been ‘there’ and I don’t take it lightly on your behalf. It sounds like you’re at or near “rock bottom”, which to me is an indication things are about to change. Op...Why is reality the way it is? It’s for your experience of it. It won’t make sense any other way. How do you feel about your vision of what’s unfolding, what’s to come, where your life is headed? Could you readily rattle of a list of ten things you want to experience? If not, what about twenty things & aspects you don’t want? And do those questions also bring to mind some specific conditions, like ‘yeah but first I have to change x, y and or z.....then I can focus on what I want’. ?

@fopylo It seems the way you keep adding in a perspective to what was said, a perspective which doesn’t feel good to you, is being done consciously, on purpose. If not, reading this thread would be a pretty easy way to become aware of it.

The difference between survival before enlightenment and survival after enlightenment is whatever thought is currently believed to be the difference.

Truth isn’t a problem. Far from it.

I’d say relaxed is about the same as contentment. Continuing on up the scale is up to you. Adding the duality of spiritual and un-spiritual emotion is unnecessary.

@Flowerfaeiry Body & need are thoughts. There’s nobody to poo poo no body.

What is your condition? As in... if I had X, if I was X, if X hadn’t happened, if X would happen, if someone would help me with X, if I realized X, if everyone else would just X, etc. What has to happen, what has to change, for you to be at peace, happy?

You think you do, but if you inspect a bit, you’ll notice you actually don’t. You are yourself. What this is really about, wether acknowledged now or later, is thought attachment and emotional suppression (intense spiritual bypassing). Might sound abrasive admittedly, but might save you years of suffering when you could be creating the life which is the dream within you too. Try to point to where it’s coming from. Wish you the best in any case. If souls, demons, etc is your thing per se, Godspeed brother.

There isn’t even an other side of that wall.

@ThaOreoBoros Other than human imaginings, like books and movies, what is your direct experience of demons? This is probably a much better opportunity to question & inspect direct experience vs abstractions of thought. There aren’t individual entities at all, human, demon, elves, you, me, or otherwise.

@fopylo Look at the scale, and start with the emotion you are currently experiencing. No need to “push thoughts aside”. Just refocus on breath. Don’t expect “effects”. Ecstasy isn’t uncomfortable. Overwhelming is on the scale. Start there.

Beautiful! Welcome to the forum. ??

It’s why you call suffering, suffering. If the true nature weren’t happiness, you won’t feel the discord with it. Explanation won’t do for what is prior, simple, obvious, self inherent. Not. Two. “I” is a thought. How could a thought suffer? Pain is of creation, creation is made of being, pain is love. Suffering is of identification, thoughts, ‘with’ the finite mind. Right. To “you”. Which is not a you, but is a thought. Can’t suggest enough, a deep dive into the work of Rupert Spira. Nothing exists - it’s literally up to you. I am it, and can not define myself. At Godspeed (slow). Inspect what you’re saying, what you’re actually talking about. What is “end”, what is “it”, what does “permanent” mean? More, much more importantly - who gets to tell you what’s possible? Why would you listen.

Really question that “achieve” approach / perspective. The thought inherently implies true genuine happiness is not already your true nature, and that there is a you and an it, such that you could obtain it. There is no implication otherwise, of a denial of suffering and pain. This is not a cup -> ☕️. “Cup” is a thought... not perception. The thought “perception” can be peeled away as well. Google, research what Siddhartha had to say about the distinction between pain & suffering. The former is of this place, to a large but not absolute degree, and the latter... one makes up on the fly (thought attachment to ‘me’, ‘my’, ‘mine’ narration) mistaking thoughts for perception, and thus one’s self (so to speak) for a thing or object... which literally do not exist. The only “place” separation is found - is in your (so to speak) thoughts. Notice the shockingly obvious absolute oneness of perception (without thoughts being believed). Reality is ‘the way it is’... because of ‘your’ interpretation. What about without interpretation (thoughts)? Then the true nature begins to reveal itself, and shloads of magic, sense, and what you desire ensues. Don’t believe me though, that’s just another thought. @allislove ?

@Najim ? There is only now. Source appears as the ground meeting the footstep, and the memory arising in mind. Creator creating creation. Focus is pure magic. As it is directed, in kind more is experienced. We are authoring creation with via focus. We are the very unfolding of the universe.