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I hear ya, but, spirituality, with integrity, is inspection, and is not per se, ‘whatever you like’. Unless of course that is someone’s prerogative so to speak, but it isn’t really inspecting, as that ‘prerogative’ is a thought, a belief. The difference therein, is suffering. I was just pointing out that psychedelics are in plain view and have been for a very long time.

@roopepa The point is really, it’s thought attachment, but… you are not claiming you’re awake, God, God conscious, omniscient, the most awake human in history, demeaning other people / teachers, etc, and ‘teaching’ of “the dangers”, and then belittling people who later ask questions / for some help. People who are also experiencing, thought attachment.

@roopepa Again, not trying to be a jerk here… but the thought ‘psychotic thought patterns’ is like the thought, ‘a hundred thoughts’. The thought ‘psychotic patterns’, is the thought, ‘psychotic thought patterns’. There is the believing of that thought, or, thought attachment. The “danger” is therefore not caused by anything, sans the believing of, the thoughts. I realize this could sound offensive, I don’t mean it that way and I hope you don’t take it that way… wouldn’t you admit, that if you’d sat in a chair and did nothing, the effect would have worn off, and you’d have been perfectly as fine as before ingesting? Thus, it is the reaction to the thoughts, and a “danger of psychedelics”? Likewise, how could a substance, which is no longer in the body, cause months of anything? Really hope this isn’t taken as challenging, or ‘picking on you’, etc.

Not trying to be a all buster, but, the direct experience there is of the thoughts about. I don’t know what you mean there, sorry. That ‘you’, in accordance with direct experience, is a thought.

Respecting the reply and the honesty & candor here. Also, with respect, these are thoughts about, not direct experience. @Carl-Richard Ha! Indeed. @Breakingthewall There isn’t that ‘you’ which ‘gets them’, only the thought that there is. There aren’t (plural) ‘truths’. That is literally what they’re saying. Also, in regard to ‘dangers’, you’re referencing thoughts, not (‘your own’) direct experience.

“I am not your babysitter” imply’s you are or are being or are acting like a baby, and or are in need of a baby sitter. I get the ‘to me’ factor. I’m asking you literally how. How does meditation create problems? What is “his kundalini”, literally? How does “meditation create problems with his kundalini”? How do you actually know that’s true, that you would have never found out about them? Psychedelics are in countless movies and songs. I used them plenty, without ever having heard of ‘the dangers’ or actualized.org, and never experienced any “dangers”. A lot of insight, humility, and letting go of projection, seeing through thought attachment, but no dangers. How, more literally, from direct experience, do psychedelics “mess you up”? What is “the you” which psychedelics are said to “mess up”? Precisely how do “psychedelics mess you up”? Are you open to the possibility that maybe you just, didn’t notice? If you’re willing & interested, why didn’t you answer my follow up question about the logic & money?

Are you saying the reason not a single other spiritual teacher on that list warns against ‘the dangers of spirituality’ and Leo does, is money? I’m not following your logic here. Had you said he can’t afford not to, because his income is contingent on clicks, that would seem logical. Can you explain further how, because he can afford to, is the reason he ‘warns against the dangers of spirituality’, and none of the other teachers do? How is meditation the cause of ‘the dangers’? How is psychedelics the cause of ‘the dangers’? How is Leo (implied) “teaching psychedelics”? I’ve taken em. Seems like the psychedelic essentially is the teacher. So to speak, not one single person ever said a single thing to me about psychedelics, to this day, maybe two hundred or more trips, not one single iota of ‘dangers of spirituality’, or ‘dangers of psychedelics’. Never projected a single thought onto the psychedelics, let a lot of beliefs and behaviors, like projection, go. This is circular logic. The ‘risks involved’ are the content. Helping one to recognize thought attachment is “coddling and lying out of guilt”? Not following that logic either. Seems like a justification via an implication of intensity limited options. I see the user mentioned an attempted suicide. I do not see the “manipulating people” or the “threatening suicide”. I might be missing that though, the thread’s a bit long. If one is commenting, why does not demeaning someone equal “becoming his close, personal, one-on-one guru”?

Let that (and all the rest) of these conceptualizations of direct experience, of life you might say, go. If what you’re feeling, which is said to be the hurdle, the discord, is a ‘huge karma’, that ‘you need to fulfill to move on’… inspect that which is said to be the obstacle. Where is it? What is it? How does it feel? Does it resonate with you? How so, why or why not? When did you yourself first think of this? What was the circumstances or situation in which this need arose? When you are not ‘fulfilling this need’, what’s happening to you, such that it is justified that this is a need?

The Good News: Consciousness is infinite. Manipulation isn’t really ‘high or low’ consciousness. It’s just, manipulation. Dogma is also not ‘high or low consciousness’. Dogma is just, dogma.

"Madness" I, I can't get these memories out of my mind And some kind of madness has started to evolve And I, I tried so hard to let you go But some kind of madness is swallowing me whole I have finally seen the light And I have finally realized What you mean And now I need to know is this real love Or is it just madness keeping us afloat? And when I look back at all the crazy fights we had Like some kind of madness was taking control And now I have finally seen the light And I have finally realized What you need But now I have finally seen the end And I'm not expecting you to care But I have finally seen the light I have finally realized I need your love I need your love Come to me Just in a dream Come on and rescue me Yes I know, I can't be wrong And baby, you're too headstrong Our love is Madness

"I Don't Want To Be" I don't need to be anything other Than a prison guard's son I don't need to be anything other Than a specialist's son I don't have to be anyone other Than the birth of two souls in one Part of where I'm going Is knowing where I'm coming from I don't wanna be anything other Than what I've been tryna be lately All I have to do is think of me And have peace of mind I'm tired of looking 'round rooms Wondering what I've got to do Or who I'm supposed to be I don't wanna be anything other than me I'm surrounded by liars everywhere I turn I'm surrounded by impostors everywhere I turn I'm surrounded by identity crisis everywhere I turn Am I the only one who noticed? I can't be the only one who's learned! I don't wanna be anything other Than what I've been tryna be lately All I have to do is think of me And have peace of mind I'm tired of looking 'round rooms Wondering what I've got to do Or who I'm supposed to be I don't wanna be anything other than me Can I have everyone's attention please? If you're not like this and that, you're gonna have to leave I came from the mountain The crust of creation My whole situation Made from clay to stone And now I'm telling everybody I don't wanna be anything other Than what I've been tryna be lately All I have to do is think of me And I have peace of mind I'm tired of looking 'round rooms Wondering what I've got to do Or who I'm supposed to be I don't wanna be anything other than me

@supremeyingyang Not sure I’m following what you’re saying here but yes, I’d favor acknowledging what is, since it is what is, vs denial.

@mememe Why?

It’s you who awakens, not a ‘my kundalini’, which causes or acts anything upon you. Just to be clear, I was not saying you were ‘crying about it’, I was referencing another user who colored your op in such a way. @FlyingLotus A lot could be said, but perhaps the simplest most straightforward way is to simply ask you, why it is that none of the following ‘works’ have a single warning about ‘the dangers of spirituality’? (Feel free to reference their youtube videos as well). https://www.dalailama.com/the-dalai-lama https://teachingsofthebuddha.com/ https://adyashanti.opengatesangha.org/ https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/ https://www.miguelruiz.com/ https://thework.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTBZHxp9PrUjD1BnbDBZLoQ http://www.simply-this.com/ https://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/ https://rupertspira.com/ https://www.abraham-hicks.com/ https://eckharttolle.com/ https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/ https://www.actualityofbeing.com/ Also, if interested… why do you suppose not a single one of these people are demeaning each other asserting they are the higher conscious, or the highest conscious?

@supremeyingyang As opposed to denial… or not moving forward? Not exactly sure what you mean here.

@OBEler No offense, I really really hope… but you are kind of ignoring the advice that would help, and focusing on what might be resulting in feeding into the suffering. Why not expression of the emotions she is presently experiencing? Why not therapy? You are talking about someone else, yes? Not yourself, in the ‘asking for a friend’ manor? Only asking because it strikes me as somewhat bizarre, the way you’re going about this.

@ChrisZoZo Yes. Thoughts appear. If interested, check & verify that in direct experience, and also in regard to actually finding or locating ‘the thinker’. If a thought arises as the answer, notice that is a thought, and keep looking / inquiring. Again, if interested. My suggestion would be to at least consider this is rumination and to self inquire into the feeling (on the back of daily meditation, for the ‘space’ / ‘clarity’ prior).

@Kksd74628 The point is there is no ‘kundalini’, ‘dark energy or entity’, ‘sadness’, ‘negative things’, ‘dangerous energy’, ‘dangers of spirituality’, ‘teaching 100s of millions of people’. This is all thought attachment. One awake (let alone ‘god conscious’, ‘omniscient’, and the highest conscious person on the planet) would easily be well aware of this. The mockery of not being a babysitter, ‘crying’ about it, that whole demeaning & belittling tone and approach was kind of icing on the cake, given if one is commenting, one could offer some form of help or clarity instead. But nonetheless, I do acknowledge this is just so to speak, my view or take on things here.

@Leo Gura No, the content of this thread is about the user who made the thread, and the condoning of another user making jokes about it. But that’s up to you admittedly. Avg 50k views is not teaching millions of people, it’s avg 50k people viewing. And again, that comment was not related to you at all.

That comment was not to you or about you, but you seem to believe that somehow it is about you. Your videos average around 50k views. It’s about actually being awake in regard to thought attachment. Kundalini (serpent) is not actual.

@Kksd74628 It’s the making a joke of it with Leo, while it’s not about you or me or Leo, but @Neph

@Kksd74628 And yet Leo is very clear about not listening to humans. And so here is someone asking him (self proclaimed omniscient God) for help. At the very least this is a bit of a confusing and mixed message isn’t it so? It’s rare that I say this, but it doesn’t really seem funny to me. But I digress, y’all carry-on.

A mirage can make no determinations in regard to the desert. ”Those who say” is already assumption. You are you. Also assumption. Thought is only apparent and only dualistic and will not do no matter how much reasoning is believed.

@Kksd74628 How relationally close would someone need to be before emotional distress and suicidal ideation is something you help them with rather than belittling, ignoring or making jokes and laughing? Second cousin? Brother? Yourself? What is even the point of the content and this forum if this is the case?