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(Great questions... in regard to the answers, keep in mind language is dual.) Yes. Maybe the simplest way to think of it is that it is somewhere, which there can be experience. Cosmos, earth, world, universe, etc are all this sphere. I believe you are asking if perception (sensory as in senses, like seeing & hearing) are only of the sphere of the world (“this sphere”). Without the sphere of the lens, there wouldn’t be the awareness, consciousness, or knowing of experience, or, of the sphere of the world. Sensory, or, perception, is the experience of being both spheres. Being ‘something’ isn’t exactly the same as experiencing ‘something’. The thoughts... ‘shapes’, ‘sounds’, etc, as labels, appear in & of the sphere of the lens. Perception is the experience of both spheres. Maybe a simpler pointing is you are knowing of and or experiencing thoughts about a world, but a world is not knowing of your thoughts. “Held within” works for me. ‘Appearance of’, or ‘is’ also works. I suspect it points to the same, but I don’t see the trinity literature or texts as pointing to meta, non & physical. I like that though.

Why though, when truth feels so good?

The apparent change is so ‘slow’, relative to the apparent perception, that it seems like there are ‘things”. There isn’t even one ‘thing’, let alone two identical or different things.

@Naked Paradox Thanks. Just disrobing the other side of the paradox really.

@Origins ? Loving and appreciating your intentions and contribution. Really resonates. ??

All of them, if you want to experience all of them. As if not being you were an option.

The belief is the comparison between psychedelic and sober experiences. The content of the thought is that there are these two ‘states’, and you’re ‘the one comparing them’. There aren’t these two, there is just the believing of the comparative thinking or thought, that there are these two, and identifying as ‘the one who knows’ this. The more ‘core’ belief is that experience is plural. That there are ‘experiences’. Sincerely look for the separation of these ‘two experiences’ until it is recognized there isn’t. Further, there is no past psychedelic experience at all. In direct experience, there is the thought that there is. Rather than believing the thought and chasing the state, recognize it’s a thought, like ‘state’. Nice. Focus on breath is not focus on the thoughts believed, and actuality is unveiled. That is only and always the case. The veil is the believing of the narrative about psychedelics, sober, states, etc. An identification lies between, ‘the one who knows’ these ‘states’, the ‘one who achieves’ them, ‘the one who accesses’. A ‘sea of snaking fractals’ is perception not feeling. The ‘one who managed to’. It didn’t slip away, it was covered in thoughts of identity. The ‘one who is certain’, the ‘one who knows states’, the ‘one who the state happened to’, the ‘one who’s eureka moment it was’. The ‘one who is getting closer’, the ‘one who knows serious and not serious indications’, the ‘one who could wake up’. The one who understands, the one who’s doing work, the one to whom life is a possession, the one who is 38 years old, the one who counts a myself, the one who meditates, the one expecting a pay off, the one who is demoralized, the one who knows time. So many beliefs and self referential thoughts, such little inspection.

@Elisabeth Loss, rejection and abandonment are thoughts. How do those thoughts resonate with your being, with our true nature, with feeling? How about infinite intelligence (‘the body’, ‘the heart’)... heart & body giving those thoughts a ‘hell yes’, or a ‘hell no’? Creating, acceptance, unity, these are thoughts too. How do those thoughts resonate? What does the heart say, what does the body say? Hell yes, or hell no?

@Alistair Kershaw It’s discordant because you’re not the only one in existence.

Beautiful. “Fact” ”Understanding” ?

@Tim R There isn’t a my definition. @Someone here There aren’t individuals.

Sanity is well being.

@levani I mean beyond fasting, abs, attraction... your desires or dreams which inspire beyond the current difficult sacrificial phase.

@CBDinfused If there is anything prior to consciousness, then consciousness can’t be said to always exist, nor to need to exist. If there is nothing prior to consciousness, then consciousness can’t be said to always exist, nor to need to exist. If nothing is unstable, it is not nothing, it is unstable. If nothing is an empty vacuum of space, it is not nothing, it is an empty vacuum of space. If existence is as you say, illusory, then what is existence actually? What is the difference between ‘it’ is an illusion, and ‘I’ is an illusion? What is fear when it is not a self referential thought? If selflessness is calculable, who or what is calculator, calculating, calculation, and or calculated? When your current experience of reality ends... an unclaimed experience of reality begins.

@levani Putting fasting, losing weight, gaining weight aside for a minute. What is it you really want? Do you want to fast? Not really. Do you want to put on excess weight? Not really. Do you want to then have to lose the excess weight? Not really. What is it you do want?

@roopepa Obviously resonates quite a bit. Tight plan imo. I’d add singing, as you wont get too far without it. I’d change the intention & context a bit too. Everything you listed is made possible by feeling good / good feeling, by being goodness, which is to say simply being yourself. Good feeling has never come from a secondary source, and never will. Imo the change in context would be the aim to live the fullest life possible, unattached to outcomes, unidentified with what’s happening. Enjoy the beauty and wonder of the journey, without contingencies. Experience for the sake of experience, not what is produced or procured.

It’s very much like contact with ‘aliens’. ‘You’ disappears, and a mutual intention (pointing) takes care of the rest. It’s not something you can do, but it is something that happens without ‘you’, and is also appearance, same as the thoughts about it. But yes, totally ‘possible’, and does not seem outlandish once experienced, just like everything else it’s inevitably normal.

@Joshuas For a mystic, of course, there’s no mystic.

Moderation. The middle way.

And so are all the other thoughts.

‘Bottle of water’ is a thought, like ‘cup’, which is what the phrase ‘empty your cup’ points to. ‘Me’, in that usage, is a thought like ‘cup’. ‘Things’ is also a thought, like ‘object’. ‘Things’ is a thought. Perception is perception. There is no direct experience of ‘we perceive’. Sure ya can. Look at the water bottle, and find a separation between the bottle, the seeing of it, the seeing, and the awareness of seeing. Notice any ‘separation’ that arises, is a thought, and not a separation.

Connecting without expectations.

@Breakingthewall Eventually in the present moment. Yep. sounds perfect. ??

@Javfly33 Your consciousness is a belief too. That consciousness can appear, and have that thought or belief, is really impressive, to no one.