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@EmptyVase When you are using the scale, are you moving yourself up the scale, a thought about yourself up the scale, a thought about social interaction up the scale, or your thoughts about other peoples’ thoughts about you, up the scale?

@fopylo That sounds great. I don’t believe I said thought is useless. But useless is a thought. Just let me know, once you check for sensation and verify it is no longer present.

@Shane Hanlon Maybe the perspectives in that sense are just like the cells, one appears as two.

You’re assuming God would know what you’re talking about. If the question was why does a unicorn allow suffering, first you’d make sure there is a unicorn and that it is allowing suffering, and then it might make sense to question why. What if you’re the unicorn, but don’t know it? Why do you allow suffering? ? ?

@Shane Hanlon That’s really insightful. If there is another perspective, and you’re aware of this, can it truly be said to be a perspective?

If you’re not aware of these thoughts sometimes - and that experience is known - then awareness is aware of that experience, which means awareness is not coming and going. Thoughts are coming and going. The thoughts are about you being a person, in the sense, only a separate physical object. Awareness is searching for which thoughts are true about this separate physical object, and not finding any thoughts to be true. That is not the problem, that is the relief. There are no expectations to live up to. That recognition leads to a great shift, a realization thinking about yourself never pans out to anything, but thinking about what you want to do, be, have, experience, etc, feels really great, since it’s what you want, which is the same as saying, what feels good, to you. Not someone else. You. The awareness never comes and goes, and is eternal. When awareness is believing thoughts, which are appearing & disappearing, and can barely even be said to be temporary, this is of course going to feel ‘off’ to eternal, infinite, pure goodness, awareness. Regardless of thoughts or beliefs which come & go, awareness is eternal and ever present. It is the true authentic one which is aware of the thoughts and beliefs. Also, if it’s useful... one can try and feel good based on what other people think, and by comparative thinking (comparing oneself to another self). One can be motivated by this for a while. Self image, popularity, accolades, accomplishments, potential, prestige, that kind or flavor of self referential thinking, projected onto others, about oneself. But it never feels quite aligned, and one inevitably recognizes one has never actually experienced what another thinks, and one is feeling the resonance of what one is focusing on. In shifting focus to what feels better to you, you feel better, and the mind actually clears. Then as more aligned better feeling thoughts arise, wanting to be outstanding, amazing, etc begins to seem funny, because it gets clearer that you already are. Then you are feeling our source, and then you can accomplish anything. Unless what you want is to be better than someone else, or better than yourself. Can’t do that. Can laugh about it though.

@CBDinfused There aren’t really any clouds, ‘they’re’ also the sky.

@CBDinfused The scenarios are thoughts, or, the clouds.

@CBDinfused The point of the analogy is that the sky is not a state. It is not dual, as in sometimes clear, and sometimes not clear.

@CBDinfused The sky is always clear, but clouds come & go and seem to obstruct, and it seems the sky is not clear, when it actually always is. In the same sense, focusing on existential thinking is like focusing on the clouds, and asking about the “mystery” of the clear sky.

Awareness is directly aware of thought, perception, and sensation. When you attempt to utilize a memory to feel, you’re actually focused on thought, and inadvertently conceptualizing feeling. “Forcing my mind to think of a positive experience in which I felt love” is not focusing on feeling, it’s focusing on thought. There is no “my mind”, that is a thought you’re focusing on. “Results” is focus on motive thought, not feeling. “Remembering” is focus on abstract illusory thought, not feeling. “I don’t want this...” is focus on a concept of yourself in thought, and avoidance of feeling. “Process” is focus on analytical thought, not focus on feeling. If that sounds complicated the short version is ... focus on feeling. Focus directly on feeling. Is there sensation present in the bottoms of your feet right now? What about in your legs? What about in your torso, arms, hands, neck and head? Now take that sensation off, like you would a jacket, and put sensation on the floor next to you. Let me know once you’ve successfully removed sensation, and I’ll tell you the next step. Be sure to double check and make sure it’s not present first.

@SamC Are you the awareness of these thoughts? More simply, are you aware of these thoughts?

@Mason Riggle Universe is a clever word. It says one verse. That one verse, is the very word - universe. Just as soon as you speak it, it seems there is, a “universe”.

(Great questions... in regard to the answers, keep in mind language is dual.) Yes. Maybe the simplest way to think of it is that it is somewhere, which there can be experience. Cosmos, earth, world, universe, etc are all this sphere. I believe you are asking if perception (sensory as in senses, like seeing & hearing) are only of the sphere of the world (“this sphere”). Without the sphere of the lens, there wouldn’t be the awareness, consciousness, or knowing of experience, or, of the sphere of the world. Sensory, or, perception, is the experience of being both spheres. Being ‘something’ isn’t exactly the same as experiencing ‘something’. The thoughts... ‘shapes’, ‘sounds’, etc, as labels, appear in & of the sphere of the lens. Perception is the experience of both spheres. Maybe a simpler pointing is you are knowing of and or experiencing thoughts about a world, but a world is not knowing of your thoughts. “Held within” works for me. ‘Appearance of’, or ‘is’ also works. I suspect it points to the same, but I don’t see the trinity literature or texts as pointing to meta, non & physical. I like that though.

Why though, when truth feels so good?

The apparent change is so ‘slow’, relative to the apparent perception, that it seems like there are ‘things”. There isn’t even one ‘thing’, let alone two identical or different things.

@Naked Paradox Thanks. Just disrobing the other side of the paradox really.

@Origins ? Loving and appreciating your intentions and contribution. Really resonates. ??

All of them, if you want to experience all of them. As if not being you were an option.

The belief is the comparison between psychedelic and sober experiences. The content of the thought is that there are these two ‘states’, and you’re ‘the one comparing them’. There aren’t these two, there is just the believing of the comparative thinking or thought, that there are these two, and identifying as ‘the one who knows’ this. The more ‘core’ belief is that experience is plural. That there are ‘experiences’. Sincerely look for the separation of these ‘two experiences’ until it is recognized there isn’t. Further, there is no past psychedelic experience at all. In direct experience, there is the thought that there is. Rather than believing the thought and chasing the state, recognize it’s a thought, like ‘state’. Nice. Focus on breath is not focus on the thoughts believed, and actuality is unveiled. That is only and always the case. The veil is the believing of the narrative about psychedelics, sober, states, etc. An identification lies between, ‘the one who knows’ these ‘states’, the ‘one who achieves’ them, ‘the one who accesses’. A ‘sea of snaking fractals’ is perception not feeling. The ‘one who managed to’. It didn’t slip away, it was covered in thoughts of identity. The ‘one who is certain’, the ‘one who knows states’, the ‘one who the state happened to’, the ‘one who’s eureka moment it was’. The ‘one who is getting closer’, the ‘one who knows serious and not serious indications’, the ‘one who could wake up’. The one who understands, the one who’s doing work, the one to whom life is a possession, the one who is 38 years old, the one who counts a myself, the one who meditates, the one expecting a pay off, the one who is demoralized, the one who knows time. So many beliefs and self referential thoughts, such little inspection.

@Elisabeth Loss, rejection and abandonment are thoughts. How do those thoughts resonate with your being, with our true nature, with feeling? How about infinite intelligence (‘the body’, ‘the heart’)... heart & body giving those thoughts a ‘hell yes’, or a ‘hell no’? Creating, acceptance, unity, these are thoughts too. How do those thoughts resonate? What does the heart say, what does the body say? Hell yes, or hell no?

Beautiful. “Fact” ”Understanding” ?

@Tim R There isn’t a my definition. @Someone here There aren’t individuals.