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By believing the thoughts it is in the literal sense being. Thought is dualistic, or, implies two. I am just asking myself. Is there an I and a myself, as in two of you? Of course not, but when believing thought one believes so. To believe God deludes itself is to miss this by believing the thought ‘God deludes itself’. That is the delusion. One, or, ‘the singularity’, God, appears as two, believes thoughts & creates an apparent separate identity, but is always still One, or, is always still the true nature... which is why some thoughts resonate in feeling and some don’t, why it feels good to realize truth. God isn’t conjuring something else, God is being whatever is referred to already. Being one lens, made of infinity, is being ‘any number’ of lenses.

@OneIntoOne That is the belief being addressed.

Just like you said, after trying it out. Just like everything else. What you’re saying is exactly the same as someone saying sky diving is hypnosis. One would only believe this before sky diving. You’re probably thinking “it’s nothing like that!”, but missing that’s how a belief works so to speak, you’re believing it’s true. The nugget is the difference between thought and direct experience. The meditative mind is neither thinking nor believing. The belief detachment from thought can be thought or believed, is logically graspable, as in recognizable as a belief, vs direct experience. Also, is that really what you want? To know prior to direct experience? I don’t think you do. I think you like the mystery aspect of experience.

@Holygrail Good for you. ??

As a charade, sure. The charade is that they’re in your direct experience. Focusing on a better feeling thought is fun and feels good.

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@Valwyndir That was beautiful. Brilliant across the board. Snozzberries of infinity so actual I could taste em.

If the the exploring, the karma, understanding, a thought wanting, a thought returning or coming around again, rejection, owning, separation, that there was a Jesus, that there are parables, that there is counter to intuition, thinking about a thought from a different perspective, wanting something from a thought, a thought wanting something from you, interpretations, that there are teachings and teachers, that there is good and bad, that you have thoughts, that thought can & can’t be be discarded, that someone is a messenger, that someone is ever listened to or killed are walking, “at rest” is sitting perfectly still in a chair in the sense the walking didn’t occur at all in experience. Not oneness is truly ‘known’, but these thoughts occur in, as, or as part of this experience... but the thoughts are not occurring, literally, yet everything is happening or appears to be nonetheless. Forum / comment / communication wise, it likely seems like I’m picking apart what you’re asking and not really answering. This reply probably doesn’t translate and just seems like being critical, semantic, aholeness, but the first ‘movement’ would be the arising of a thought which became Ex.. and then Exploring. That ‘movement’ is felt in sensation exactly like the foot on the floor prior to walking. Both can be not executed, or, not followed through with, or ‘Ex’ can be ‘brought to rest’ before it’s even ‘Exp...’.

@Wilhelm44 We don’t oscillate, we is the oscillation.

You don’t get it. You don’t understand me. My brother, my mother, my father, my friends... these people are subordinate, insubstantial & small, lessor, imbeciles, asleep. Ostracize yourself of their poisons to the cave, become wise, know the present, which wasn’t seen in such a close proximity, as blood does blind, like wrapping paper. (Tone is for effect here) ?

Awesome. As an actor that’s pretty impressive, as a creator these beliefs & assumptions are unaligned with feeling & the truth of direct experience. Waking up early shows you how powerful it is to think, ‘I don’t need to think about x, y, and z cause of the extra time’. Which doesn’t exist. Just the thinking about it appears. Clear sky’s tough to beat. Yes, a perfect and synchronistic playground of a carefree loving universe is beckoning. That’s garbagey & self referential. ? To eat clean, align thought with feeling (not feeling with thought), inspect self referential thinking, and that the activity of the finite mind can be turned infinitely silent at will. Forget about enlightenment and focus mindfully. Focus is prior to delusion. By focusing on it, you keep deluded. (It really sounds like you want the straight skinny on this thread). The fantasy however, is actual. The fantasy is that there is a “reality”, while reality is the actual fantasy. Just have fun aligning thoughts. Enjoy how it feels. Do more stuff you like, and love more. Carefree, no reason, no catalyst, no purpose or gains. Inspect thoughts about yourself & direct experience, there is much truth on the bone.

Hate is a belief, it’s intellectual, thought. At the very least, notice that if you are experiencing something - that’s an experience - not you. If one is to believe in hate at all, at least allow hate to be an emotion, and not self-hate, not an identity in any way. Using the emotional scale can work wonders in expressing blame, resentment, anger, etc, as emotions, which perhaps slowly but surely, brings about understand, and alleviates identifying with hate (or any emotion). Perhaps most key, is the recognition of your absolute use innocence. Whatever it is, so to speak, it is not your fault. Unconditional love & unconditional love does not make for an experience. Unconditional love must appear as other than what it is, for it to have an experience. In this forgetting, and in believing our thoughts and not listening to feeling, shit has got pretty crazy. There is no ‘thought solution’. For one and for all, there is only thought detachment and abiding in, listening to, feeling. You are feeling love, always. But it’s being labelled ‘hate’. Hate is thought, and the discord of the love that you are ‘not going along’ with the thought. If there were hate, if feeling were hate, then such thoughts would resound and resonate perfectly. But they do not resonate, because feeling is love, regardless of thought. So love yourself, by feeling the reactions of old arise, but not reacting. If it feels better to express it and ‘get it out’, hate someone, hate everyone, hate me for saying this, hate the entire world, but do not hate yourself for you are pure and innocent truly. The origin of the word ‘sin’, interestingly, is “to speak ill against the self”. Just say to yourself this will come and go, and focus on seeing, hearing, feeling, and breathing (instead of thought) and recognize contentment after the reaction comes & goes. You might be gut wrenched in the fetal position. That’s ok. Know that it will come and go, and don’t weave a story or narrative about yourself. You might vomit. That’s ok. Let it out, on’t buy any narratives. You might experience electric jolts. That’s ok. Don’t but into a narrative. It’s reactions playing out. The way to keep it going is to buy into the narrative about yourself, past and or future, and others. The way to bring reaction to end, is non-reaction. use like the only solution to violence is nonviolence. Just like the default is peace, and a narrative must be bought into for man to create war. Know the feeling of contentment. From the direct experience of ‘sitting with it’ and not reacting behaviorally, the feeling of contentment will be felt as peace, the true nature, you which is aware of thoughts. The thoughts will soon be known as apparent, as fleeting, impermanent, and completely powerless. Such is the analogy of thought as clouds coming and going, while the clear sky of peace & love is eternal and always present. If you were not worthy , deserving, and capable, God wouldn’t have put that dream in you. Keep ‘fighting the Good fight’. If & when you can, now is best, express that dream out of you and get it in front of you. Such as with a dreamboard or on paper, or just talking with someone who can shut up and listen. It is our nature to bloom, just like flowers. For humans, expressing is blooming. You don’t need to do anything. That’s how Good love is. Love is the present, in both the gift sense and the ‘now’ sense. Love is you which forgot itself by being experience, or, ‘SuicidalBug’. Imo, close your account. Start a new one, without identifying of the past. If that was who you are, it’d feel great. The recognition that it doesn’t resonate is everything. Start loving as much as you possibly can. Start understanding as much as possible. Accept all as much as possible. But note the distinction that you don’t need to do, say, act, change, or be anything other than who you are right now, to know the love that is. Uncover the love that you are, unwrap the layer of this present. A thousand wishes of wellness and infinite love for you. Stay on the well being path. I say these things having been there. Depression, suicidal, hateful, angry. You can and will transcend it.

@OneIntoOne Couldn’t agree more. If literally every single ‘movement’ of thought is not inspected and brought again & again to rest, we’re hijacking / bypassing and kidding ourselves. This isn’t sexy to talk about though, doesn’t make anyone look better, and it doesn’t move product so to speak. Unconditional love is shockingly humbling. The enlightened is the last, never the first, never the only, always the last. (From Corinthians) Is patient, is kind, does not envy, does not boast, is not proud, is not rude, is not self-seeking, is not easily angered, keeps no record of wrongs, does not delight in evil but rejoices in truth, always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

? Joke (n) Something not real or to no purpose; someone not to be taken seriously...pastime...the monosyllable (universe). @Wilhelm44 Ha! Exactly. Vibration at it’s best.

Awesome. If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Worrying and seeking reassurance is just one way of addressing emotion, but that won’t be available on the solo retreat. Lay the foundation for the solo way now. Be prepared. When the thought about yourself arises, don’t fall for it (believing you’re actually thinking you). Instead use the emotional scale, starting at worry. Then on your retreat, the body mind will respond to this more like riding a bike. The higher dose peeling back layers of psyche & beliefs, and the emotional muscle memory of the body mind will work in tandem. I wouldn’t be surprised if you have the time of your life, glimpse infinity, and in hindsight question why there wasn’t “ego death”. Another ‘way’ is complete focus in seeing, hearing, breathing, feeling (contentment on the scale, via non-focus on thought). The trip isn’t really for the trip, it’s for your entire life, and the only actuality of that, is This. And keep in mind this is what you’re choosing! You could plan & do whatever, and you’re choosing to do what you want. By all means man, feel good about that. Look forward to the adventure & excitement.

What if there is neither time nor duality (sans thought / beliefs) ?

@Valwyndir ? That black & white thumbnail is an amazing picture btw.

Funny how often memory is contemplated...while forgetting is taken for granted. Damn that’s funny.

@James123 ? Beautifully said man.

YES.

@EmptyVase Oh God yes. Sometimes I laugh about once believing in “spiritual teachers”... while my wife and kids are the guru’s. Can they just stop showing me my true colors for five minutes please!! Lol!

@James123 Yeah, it was really heartbreaking. He was such a great, really loving and beautiful guy. That was readily seen by all, which made for a deeply disturbing funeral. My closer friend, of the friend circle if you will, was also using steroids and he broke down walking up to that funeral parlor. He never made it in, just couldn’t pull it together. But he never used steroids again. Funny light for a Mike Tyson quote on psychedelics...”they make you a pussy”. Lol, honestly, love that he dropped the martyrdom, but man did I appreciate watching a Tyson fight, short as they were. Should’ve been given an Oscar. @lmfao Very nice!

Nothing terrible would happen. Something terrible is already happening, right in direct experience. The outlook is happening. The belief ‘something terrible will happen’ is what’s actually happening. The thinking that something is wrong with you, and or that something terrible is going to happen, is what’s happening. The soul, the body, are saying “uh, no sir”. The mind is saying “you’re anxiety! You’re depression!”. The soul remains unconditional, and at perfect peace, the mind carries on, insisting it is right. The primary belief is something’s wrong with you (unworthy, undeserving, not enough as you are, etc). The secondary belief is ‘the solution’, the thought, the substance, the epiphany... that which will solve the problem - in a future - in a state - at a higher level. But there isn’t a problem or anything wrong. What’s happening is the thoughts and beliefs that something is wrong. Let the beliefs go, and you let the pain & suffering go, and you feel the relief instantly, in the shift toward putting how you feel, first. If I were to offer a mantra, it’d be fuck this, fuck them, fuck ALL that, I’m putting how I feel first God dammit.