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@Heart of Space I’m not criticizing. You use the words ‘my friend’, yet would stab me in the back and get me fired. Calling this a “state of being” is rationalizing. More so, saying this is “what God needs” is meta rationalizing.

“Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's idealised self-image and attributes.” Neither a narcissist nor narcissism are found in feeling or perception. Belief, justification, and rationalization don’t make it otherwise. It is the projection of thought attachment onto perception, such that there is a shark, a narcissist, or a my narcissism.

Not so. Seems so, but isn’t. When narcissism is identified with, such as ‘my’, that is from the perspective of there being a separate self, a subject object relational veil of experience. Yet still, language only indicates.

Not really. So to speak, I’d say for every finite mind which utilizes the psychedelic experience to further delude into inflation and infatuation of self image via self referential thinking, there are hundred’s which experience disillusionment. And it’s only grey at that. I try to be mindful to keep foundation (“foundation”) in convo’s too, precisely because of what you’re saying. Depends how it’s sized up. It could also be said for each one on this forum, exploring practices, inspecting thought, and experiencing psychedelics, there are over a hundred million solid lifelong sleepers. Very hard to point to but... would you rather justify and rationalize, or have a solid cry and release? Me too. Imagine being in the opposite shoes. It’s easy to love, not caring about thoughts, seeing thoughts don’t belong to anyone. Not so easy when / while it’s not so easy. Psychedelics may be only experience, sure. But ever experience one talking about them, ‘who’ hasn’t even experienced them? That clarity alone is worthwhile. Just opinion here. Get’s loopy quick! ? (not really). In regard to that “more are lost on the path”, I would suggest, more adopt and contribute to co-creating / spreading the belief that psychedelics lead to enlightenment, and or that enlightenment is going to change their life or their clarity of emotional experience, or reduce monkey mind, or heal, etc. Analogously perhaps, taking a lunch break is great. Does it get anything done (so to speak), no it doesn’t. Same ‘work’ is still there to be addressed.

@Someone here Feel different? I feel like ya feel different, the done fuckin around kind. ?? Wouldn’t rule out psychedelics btw. Yes, it’s experience, appearance, but also best rides in the park. Well being, and no self referential beating up, absolutely none, no matter what, comes to mind. Happy and excited for ya brother.

Maybe there aren’t smaller and bigger people, in that sharky sense. Might be a bubble in the lens so to speak.

This does not sound like the good shade of crazy my man. There’s not knowing what you’re talking about, and there’s also not knowing what you’re talking about.

That would be awesome! Anytime.

@blankisomeone Because there isn’t an actual observation process.

@ilja What was the implication?

Yes, it’s being yourself, the unconditional true nature. Doesn’t make for much of a process though.

Holy shit, they already gotcha.

Why do you want to?

@ilja Learning by experience is great, but I wouldn’t expect evangelical to by philosophical. From what I’ve experienced it’s similar to Catholicism, in that the underlying point is that church in the authority in regard to the interpretation of the Bible, and therefore morality, etc. Also, did I understand you correctly... one visit and judgment is interpreted as a feeling, and you are glad to feel shame...?

@roopepa Yes! ??

No, it means it’s consciousness. ?

Yes. It’s the default.

That. Is. It. Crazy deep, unthinkably basic, literally One singularity. Here is the greatest teacher of nonduality on earth today... “ I “ is a thought. “ the mind “ is a thought. This is the appearance. It’s this. (Perception) The illusion is that there is a separate self, from believing thoughts like “I”, “me”, “my”, “mine”, etc. Love is what’s appearing as “the thoughts”. Love appears as the thought “ I “ and believes it. How funny is this? (Talking about the bassist, in case that wasn’t obvious) Hell of a user name btw. ?

@OneHandClap If I asked if that fear feels great or not great, you’d say not great. If I asked if that thought feels great or not great, you’d say not great. There is a pointing occurring there, to, that which is Great, the Goodness that Is. The confusion then would be the claim that fear is a feeling. The truth would therefore have to be that fear is a thought, which does not resonate with feeling, which is unconditional love. The conditions of fear, alone, loneliness, and other... are thoughts... not resonating with the very love.

@mandyjw Exactly. As if the light were “making it’s way” to earth.

Yes, exactly. Even more so, love is being, love = being (vs ‘the ground of’), two words pointing to one actuality. The illusion is that there is a separate self which loves, or is loved. The confusion is due to the duality of language. As example, “I love my guitar”. That I, the guitar, and the experience therein, is love. People ‘fall in love’. Does gravity?

Life is the dream. Make a dreamboard. You’ll directly experience the miracle of what’s on your board showing up in reality. Then, for having listened to the nighttime dreams, rather than trying to stop them, you will inevitably no longer experience nighttime dreams at all, let alone nightmares. Not. Two.

If it were true it’d feel amazing, like Truth. Free will is a thought. No free will is a thought. You can focus on either. You can also deny this, experience the discord, the ‘off ness’ in feeling, and insist you’re right nonetheless. You’re free to do that. I’d pick happiness over righteousness, but that’s just me.

No. ‘Breakthrough’ is a thought like ‘God’ is a thought. ‘Breakthrough’ only serves to point to that there are not two. THAT IS HOW FUCKING BRILLIANT YOU ARE. You were right, that did feel really nice.

When focused on what we don’t want, there indeed is an experience in which we very much need something or someway to calm ourselves. Some way of coping with the discord of the actuality of being creators. Some say the solution is focusing on what we do want, but that doesn’t make any sense because of the problem.