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@Gianna Great that you’re doing the practices. Sounds like you’re reaping great benefits. Are you aware sensitivity goes through the rough as a natural result?

@Wisebaxter What’s “the relative”… relative to?

@kinesin I didn’t mean you’re talking about his “core being”, I mean you’re not actually taking about “his interactions and behaviors”, you’re frame of reference is the content of videos. (I assume. Maybe you’re besties for all I know).

@kinesinFolks aren’t experiencing Leo though (in this regard), only the videos / content / delivery, and interpretation / understanding of.

@kinesin I can certainly appreciate that, but really to what end. There’s nothing to defend, I’m just sharing what transpired at my end because I saw your comment.

@kinesin Yes it does. You are not seeing the message I received. You are doing the same thing again in posting that, and saying and or insinuating that it is. You can refute this, that’s up to you. I’m just sharing what transpired. I’m not saying that is the message I received and hindsight is 20/20. I am saying that is not the message I received, and people often say one thing, not giving any context of what they’re experiencing, and then after the fact express intensely, with you now ‘in the story’, as the focal point. That has a potential ring of talking poorly about him, but that is not what I’m saying or the sentiment. Keep in mind, I am the other end of a pm, not a family member, not someone who ever even saw or talked with him. And again, I offered to talk face to face with everyone involved. Still do. If you can put yourself in the shoes for a second, what evidence could there really be? When I saw it, I pm’d Leo telling him exactly what transpired. That pm didn’t make the headlines. It’s not nearly as intriguing, the truth rarely is in matters like this. I can not reverse an edit to print or screenshot a message any more than you could. I did also email a user here as well, as I was talking it through trying to wrap my head around where his head might have been. Ultimately I can not know. Also, keep in mind, there was a public post / thread, which seemed quite literal as well. I didn’t see that thread until long after receiving the message. Also, I don’t think it’s as black & white as to say I couldn’t have or shouldn’t have noticed some warning sign(s). Honestly I also feel like I could, or more so, should have. That’s on me and I’m still eatin it. Yet, the addition of approx 80% of the text to the message leaves me generally wishing I had the unedited version to compare, to see with some black & white exactly what I might have missed. And yet, among all of this, there aren’t even any separate selves, and expecting all-grey to be any black & white just in my opinion, brings us all back to self-realization and it’s potential for this place at large. Also, what I say is never ‘on you’ because you participate in this forum, anymore than what Leo says is ‘on me’. Also, I’m being a bit ‘personal’ toward you, more so in the prior comment, and I apologize for that.

I don’t think you are spreading misinformation knowingly, on purpose. But that statement has no truth whatsoever. I received & replied to like three jumbled sentences, and his message was edited & greatly expanded with much detail, after I replied. That edit was seen some ten days later. I get how it looks, totally. But that’s true nonetheless. Consider, right now today, anyone could log into a user’s account, your account, Leo’s account, my account, and post private messages which were edited. Not you, not a user, someone who is not even a user on this forum. And consider, that is permissible. There is literally nothing you could do about it no matter how false it was or what impression it gave. Also consider, I offered several times to meet with his sister and or wife and received no reply. I offered to meet with him without any charge more than once prior to the event, in response to topics like loa, dreamboard. In one way I kinda do not desire to bring this up, as it feels a lot like it looks like speaking ill of the dead, but the editing of the message, if he did it, could be indicative of a happy joyful facade covering much pain. As a dad, maturity & willingness to express and ask for help come to mind. I don’t mean to imply a correlation of ‘childishness’ whatsoever, but it’s very common for kids and adults to express after the fact, and to spin it on mom and dad, or another, in a very similar hindsight manor. You’ve likely experienced this yourself to some degree in your life. “You'd be better off rethinking it yourself, because that's the most accurate and useful interpretation of truth there is” Listen to & employ your own solid advice. “Getting there’, the truth of the situation, would require your Monday morning quarterbacking transmute into actually ‘getting out there’ and helping people. Actually. Like face to face, like ‘real’ folks in the ‘real’ world do. If & when, you’d learn how lifetimes of resentment get aimed at and dumped right on you, (transference) which is in large part why people don’t bother, and just talk talk talk. (Just because one can’t possibly be too clear, that is not a ‘Leo comment’, but a humanity comment). You might also (and might very well not) consider compassion. Imagine people desperately looking for answers, which you are well experienced & equipped to help them realize, but they talk about you, and do not even respond to offers to talk with you, at any time zone, at any time, of your free time, which you like everyone else have virtually none of.

@Blackhawk Well, no. That would not feel good imo. There would be much pain. But ‘going to’ such poor feeling abstractions of the mind like that is not pain, it’s suffering. Had someone mentioned me in a thread about how they’re getting their arms and legs chopped off, my response probably would have been different. There is an ocean of feeling which lies ever so subtly in understanding the distinction between pain vs suffering, actuality / presence vs abstraction, reactivity vs response-ability, lifting yourself vs putting yourself down (all discord vs alignment of the mind w feeling). More simply put, it feels amazing not to talk shit about yourself and focus on abstract nonsense. If you are looking to feel, think connection, unity, oneness. This is found everywhere; your interests, focuses, relationships, hopes, dreams, etc. At present, everyone you encounter (here) is met first with your message of “evidence or shut the fuck up”. Good place to start if interested in connectivity.

@Blackhawk Yes you are. That’s why the mind’s resistance is felt.

@Mjolnir A session together would be most ideal. I can’t put into words here what happens ‘there’. Shaktipat is actually a very ‘real thing’, and combined with some pretty simple, basic, easy direct experience explorations it’s game / life changing in under two hours. How are the basics… sleep, diet, exercise, daily meditation? How are the excursions… a few days alone in nature, retreats, psyche trips, etc? What about more ‘direct’ connection activities like reiki or yoga classes, getting a massage, etc? Simple fun things like that can be big feeling game changers very ‘outta nowhere’ like. Also, as examples that might bring ideas to mind... in the state I live there is a psychic that is so powerful she’d flip anyone’s life inside out, I”m talkin a room full of ‘deceased’ relatives... and wholistic dr that can read a bodymind and tell someone ever nuance out of alignment, right down to specific organs, just by looking at their tongue. Sounds like nonsense but it’s not. These people are ‘out there’ and they change slices in minutes. (As a specific example) A friend of mine saw that psychic and let go of a thousand pound weight he didn’t even know he was carrying related his deceased brother, a death which occurred decades ago. What avenues or vehicles if any so far do you employ / enjoy in regard to expression? Personal examples; playing with my kids, singing-songwriting, poetry, cornball Youtube videos, writing books, spending time in nature / alone. Just added a Ten Ox-Herding Pictures interpretation yesterday. Like most of the website, it’s feeling & purification oriented. If you have a chance to read it, let me know if it helps connect any of the dots and or brings up any specific questions. The meditations are also all feeling & presence oriented. There’s quite a few at this point to read through, but they’re all very short, and usually one or two just ‘click’, we might say in regard to one’s history / experiences with love. Could be forgiveness for one, acceptance for another, lovingkindness for another, meditative eating or walking for another, etc. And most significantly in regard to feeling, though this might not have clicked quite yet, do you have a dreamboard? When you mentioned being ‘walled off’ in some aspects… connection / connectivity comes to mind. I can think of no better ‘emptying of both barrels’ on the connectivity front than a dreamboard, aligning thought with feeling and seeing what’s on your board actually come into your life, and also taking Leo’s LP course to draw out passion(s) & create purpose. The books A Course In Miracles, Ask & It Is Given, and The Alchemist come to mind. Also, have you watched my first video? Does it bring anything to mind? Bring up any ‘blockages’, or resistance feeling triggers, like rebuttals, past events, etc? That might help ‘crack some eggs’ / uncover introspection avenues & opportunities so to speak. Also this video on self referential thoughts… imo it gets straight to the thinnest, most subtle of veils which stands to release / tap into feeling a lot. It’s hard for me to say or know, but I suspect watching this once or twice each day would lead to a significant ‘a ha’, maybe a series of them. Made it as short & as clear as possible with that in mind. Another consideration... spiral dynamics. Recognizing the ‘next’ stage can be triggering in the best possible way, related very much to feeling more than I think people typically notice. As a personal example (and a note on how all these things come together) I once took a mushroom trip / solo retreat in which ‘green’ just exploded in me. Immediately signed up for and did a 300 mile bike ride in three days, raising a few thousand dollars for a girl to go to Disneyland through The Make A Wish Foundation. There is a corridor at the very end of the trek with candles & the pictures of hundreds of kids who have passed on, who had their dream fulfilled through the foundation. I’ve taken 40 of 5meo, and 8 g’s of shrooms - and I’ve never “experienced an awakening” anything even remotely close to that corridor. Fuckin cryin right now just from the memory / notion lol! That’s a lot / a comprehensive probe, hopefully not overwhelming. Hopefully sparks an insight or two as to considerations for changes going forward. ?

@Zaphod If interested…https://www.actualityofbeing.com/the-immutable-laws.

@Someone here Excellent!

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Feeling ashamed is how mom thinks. The very instant mom acknowledges mom is thinking ashamed, mom’s got a foot on the path. Inevitably, the cyclical spell is broken. A dam is no more. “...oh babe, of course mother’s gonna help build the wall.” - PF

Meaning, purpose and value are conditioning.

Then vomit! That’s ‘it’.

“It’s a rite of passage for the everyman; to a higher ground”.

Well, I've heard that the devil's walking around. I sold my soul way down in the dirt, but stole it back and forever in debt. And for a moment I don't even care, until I feel his breath at my neck, and maybe even you can feel it too - He's on a strike and looking at you. Holding onto his words, I saw an angel become the devil. Still, they walk pretty good hand in hand, & I don't need any of them; heaven nor hell. Well, I've heard that the morning star of a prince was invoked on a Monday on earth; I found his business card in the mud. And for a moment I don't even care, until I feel his breath at my neck, And maybe even you can feel it too - He's on a strike and looking at you. Holding onto his words; I saw an angel become the devil. Still they walk pretty good hand in hand, I don't need any of them; heaven nor hell. Evil came down on earth, and it beholds more than you love; More than you love. Heaven don't fall on earth; what you behold is no longer word. No longer words. I don't need any of them; Heaven nor hell.

@Godishere ? You Beautiful sob. ??

@Nos7algiK Also perfectly clear. Nice. ??

Does lego guy trust legos?

@Godishere TItle’s missing the all telling apostrophe.

@Someone here Look for the punchline.

@machiavelli Take attention off the thought story about you / what you want / what’s happening “to you”, or ‘you’ as ‘the meditator’… and return attention to feeling breathing from the stomach. Allow the body mind to relax more & more deeply. Repeat each time it is noticed attention is again on thoughts. Don’t add a secondary story about you, like ‘I suck at meditation’, ‘x, y or z is happening to me’, etc. Keep. It. Simple. Just gently, effortlessly, return attention to feeling breathing in the stomach. Even thoughts that arise about “I’m” breathing or “I’m” not breathing etc… just return attention to breathing of the stomach. If meditation is too uncomfortable, don’t try to force anything, and don’t make any assumptions anything is ‘wrong’, or that you’re ‘doing it wrong’. Just take a few minutes to write on paper about how you feel. Allow whatever arises to arise, and be expressed. I agree with @Vignan. If a certain experience is what’s desired, don’t expect it to come from meditation. Experience has nothing to do with meditation… just put it on the calendar, and go have that experience. Enjoy.