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DO not let them take your soul. Whatever the price you must pay. Do no let them take your soul.

I have tried something similar to this, but still have not experienced this wonderful state in any other form of meditation.

@astrokeen Yes, you are quite right about that. I just felt that I wasn't doing "real" meditation because i was conciosuly counting 1- 2 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 1 while taking very deep breaths. In the illuminated Mind the author who is an extremely accomplished man recommended that you start by focusing in on the breath and that is the "first" step kind of. Another thing is that this type of meditation helps me so much emotionally like no other meditation practice ever has. Even forced determined sitting didn't have the same effect for a month that this has in as little as a few days.

@Sashaj When I would focus on my breath for 50 minutes every day for a week or so i would start reaching extreme levels of concentration. And as I would be drawing deep breaths during this whole session I would start feeling lighter and lighter. Eventually I would peak after the session where all of my anxiety, fear and everything else would vanish and i would feel so asbolutely amazing. Not a single shred of fear or anxiety, no bad thoughts, nothing that was draining. My whole body would radiate energy especially from my chest area and my mind would be so sharp it was unbelievable. All thoughts would stop, eventually I would fall into meditative states numerous times throughout the day especially when i was relaxing. For example before i would fall asleep i noticed how i started breathing in the same rhythm as i would during meditation and would get that amazing alivated feeling. I then changed meditation practice for "do nothing" and stopped counting and focusing on my breath. All my results vanished for a year, this is why i am back to the old ways of doing this.

I had a hardcore failure with my meditation practice. For so many months i spent time just letting the mind wander and just being present to the moment. This went on for over a year, what kept me going? The memory of a meditation experience that I had a long time ago. A few years ago I did meditation with an extreme concentration on my breath, and that would lead to euphoric states afterwards.. After that I shifted to just being present in the moment and all my results vanished, I did have a few experiences that were a little out of the ordinary but for so long I longed for the experience of being relaxed just like I used to, then i read the Illuminated Mind and everything feel in place. If you are a long time meditator and not getting good results, try concentrating on your breath and counting it. Try this for 50 minutes for a few weeks and see how it feels. Hopefully this is helpful to someone.

@MM1988 I do not believe you. Either you are lying to us or you are doing something extremely offputting. I know men who have extreme personal setbacks both emotionally and physically but still are able to get women. Either you have no standards on yourself, IE exercise, eat healthy, confidence, humor and so on or even if you don't have these things you are most likely not going out at all. Most men in wheelchairs can get a woman, if a man like yourself, as you claim in previous posts that you are confident, hard working and generally good looking you must be either lying to us, or not going out and approaching women. Under the very unlikely circumstance that I am wrong about this, go pay Todd Valentine to help you with your dating, take out a second mortage on your house if you need to get control over this. Keep in mind that one of the most dangerous ideas of self-improvement especially when you are going for enlightenment is that you are going to get this crap about internal work, but you don't understand that this internal work is 50 times harder than learning about attraction and dating. You can become an extremely skilled PUA in 6 months, most people who work on enlightenment don't reach it within 20 years. Don't lie to yourself or us, go out and put standards on yourself and make it a rule that you go out at least 2 times a week and do 20 approaches each night, you will be drowing in the attention of women. I say this with the hope of getting you pissed off, only because I was where you are now 10 years ago.

Maybe so, maybe so, projection is a real thing, but even if you keep all your concentration on them and how they are experiencing the situation they are still going to harm themselves. I am not arguing with myself or have an unresolved conflict if a female friend of mine is dating an abusive maniac and she has an extremely low level of self esteem. I don't even care on the highest level whether the person is in my life, but at the same time she isn't going to recover from this i think, it's a shame to let things like this happen when there are other paths to walk.

@dorg I understand how you see it from that perspective, but there are some things in life that are so painful that you can never get back to "normal". When you have sitauations that involve drugs, or bad people that may end damaging you extremely bad. Some people never ever recover from situations like these. If we do rise to a higher level of understanding, shouldn't there be a way that we can guide or lead or invite our fellow humans to a place that is better for them?

The damage is usually done by that time. Or it's an ongoing process that damages them continually until they break or irreversibly damage themselves.

I can see that, but when you get in to debates and the person is going to make a bad decision that may harm them, how do you reason with them? Let's say that it's a family member who is marrying because of religion or staying in disfunctional relationship because of it? Or let's say that it's a female friend who is letting her boyfriend cheat and even though she suffers extremely because of it but believes that putting up boundaries is inappropriate and so on. She's motivated by green ideals. I would usually just be aggressive and start saying things that they didn't want to hear but believe that I may not be able to reach them. I respond to an aggressive approach myself and have realized my mistake in approaching people in "my" way.

I believe that I am mostly stage yellow in my thinking but I have a quite confrontational style with others in life. As I have listened more to the Yellow idea of non judgement I have become a lot more accepting of the other levels even though i have been aware of them for years. I have always felt like telling people of the higher levels that they could evolve into, I have had extremely religious friends who have made horrible mistakes due to their faith and i tried to get them out of it. The same is true about friends who just work for money to be happy or friends who are green and make damaging decisions in their life. I was wondering how you deal with the different levels. Should we try to "motivate" and "debate" them to inspire them to ask questions or rise higher, or should we just ignore them and let them be? What are your thoughts about this?

My memories desolve and the expression of this human body dies.

@Quanty how do you know?

@Leo Gura Nope, don't agree on that Leo. I'm a model agnostic and understand that science is a lens, in 20 years my understanding of the world will be different I don't get attached to what my understanding is now. However, science is the best model of understanding how to reach your outcomes and it's highly pragmatic. What other model is better at predicting the outcomes and being as pragmatic as science is? With the use of science you can build an engine, what other model could replace science that could build an engine? Btw, thank you for all your work Leo. I have grown tremendously from your videos and still have more to grow as you can see haha!

So, as someone who has never had a deep nondual experience, what happens after your heart stops beating and you are dead? What happens to this thing that you are identified with? Where do you go? Is there anything that happens? Just curious to what you think.