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It's difficult for me to give any advice because this always came naturally to me. I will have to contemplate this and see if I can develope some sort of way to convey how one might go about inquiring into this sort of thing.

You can look at it that way but it's not the case. Isness isn't linear but "circular". It's hard to talk about this if you haven't seen it yourself. The way you are framing the question already tells me that you are not conscious of certain aspects that will be necessary for you to have this conversation in a meaningful way.

The question you asked doesn't make sense. Everything is "biased" towards evolution of consciousness. That is inescapable.

Because that's not what Is.

Whether it is my ego replying to you or not is irrelevant to what I said. It is a bias towards the innocent. If it was a pig about to kill a human so that he could eat it, if he instead could choose to consume something else, I would kill the pig.

The Part seeks to have the Whole serve itself. In that way, the Part is serving the Whole. To realize that the Part is serving the Whole, is to realize that serving the Part is serving the Whole, and serving the Whole is serving the Part.

One of the fundamental aspects of higher consciousness understanding is that it happens from a position of recognizing the Will of God, instead of from a position of individualistic and partial desire. What exactly does this mean? It means that when most people consider something to be truthful, it is not pointing to the Will of God, but merely to a fraction of the Will of God. A person comes to understand the world through it's own egoic desires, rather than study the world as it is. The world as it is, completely, is the Will of God. Here is an example: You might say rape is bad, which means you deny the truthfulness of rape. You do this because you do not like rape. This is a fractioned part of the Will of God. Instead of looking at rape in it's relationship to yourself, look at rape in the relationship to all things that are. In this context rape is not merely bad, it infact is the pure Will of God. Without rape the world would not be. This is easy to recognize, but it still is a fractioned. To truly see the Will of God is to see rape for what it is, and the resistance towards rape for what it is. There is no need to say that rape is good or bad. All there is, is a recognition that rape exists and that there is resistance towards rape. Both these things are the Will of God. Rape is the Will of God, and so is the Resistance of Rape. This means you cannot escape the WIll of God whether you are the rapist or the one who hangs the rapist. You are doing the Will of God no matter what you do. To realize this means to recognize the direction of all Being as it is within the world. You do not look at the world for how it should be, but rather you look at the world for what it is. And what it is, is how it should be. How does this play out in practice? It is the difference between someone who wants socialism to happen, and someone who recognizes that Socialism is happening. It is the difference between someone who thinks it is good to kill all the jews, and someone who recognizes that all the jews are being killed. It is the difference between someone who thinks the jews should be saved, and someone who recognizes that the jews are being saved. Where reality is going comes from a place of what the world is, not what you want the world to be. Yet, we cannot deny that where we want the world to be is part of where the world is. The key insight here is the following. As we come to see the world for what it is, rather than focusing so much on how we want to it be, our want for the world will come into union with how the world is. In a strange way the Will of God has amplified itself. The fraction of the Will of God, which together with all other fractions makes up the whole of the Will of God, comes to recognize the whole of all of the Will of God and so amplifies the Whole. This is how Infinity works, it is self-amplification, self-multiplication, self-growth, Creativity that gives rise to Creativity. It is the Snake that gives Birth to itself. And that is where the world is and always has been. This is the trajectory and the cause. God doesn't just speak through the Fractions, he speaks through the Whole aswell. To him it doesn't matter where individual Fractions go, because by virtue of being part of the Whole, they inevitably contribute to the Whole. By virtue of being Love, they inevitably give rise to more. The point of End is part of the point of Beginning. Nothing is inevitable, nothing is predetermined, yet everything creates one particular thing. Whether the dinosaurs went extinct or not, whatever would have happened would have been contributing the the Will of God. What this means is that Creation is Free, yet all of it does really only one particular thing, and it all comes to one particular outcome. That outcome has no definition nor any limitation, it is not confined, yet it is there. Imagine you had the ability to create a World which will always create your desired outcome, but yet that world was completely free to express itself in any way it wants. That is the genius of this Creation. Each individual, by expressing it's own unique Free Will, contributes to the world in just the way it must. Imagine every little world, every planentary ecosystem, eventually would pop like a bubble of Love. Imagine hundreds of millions of those planets, infact infinite of them. Popping and popping like a firework. This is what every planet is going towards. Eventually it will just pop and be gone. But even more than the infinite planets that pop, there are infinite more that never pop, never even had life to begin with. And infinite more that had life but never popped and instead died before they could. If earth will not survive humanity, then it will become one of those planets. It will have never mattered though, because the very reasons for why this planet could not pop, are the reasons for why those infinite other planets do indeed pop like a firework. And now to understand how small you are, imagine all of the infinite multiverse with infinite universes with infinite planets popping in and out of existence in bursts of love. All of the history of this universe as a whole would be just a split second pop of a one of the infinite firework-sparkles. Now imagine all of those firework-sparkes having their own evolutionary pathway, evolving towards eventually creating a massive bubble of love that bursts. Now imagine that all of that is just another sparkle within an even bigger firework. This goes on forever and ever. That is how insignificant all life on earth is. Yet, it is only so relatively speaking, in relationship to each other. To God, every cell in your body is as significant as the Whole. As much Love is reserved for every little creature, every little fraction of the Whole. Infact, there is really no such thing as a Whole nor a Fraction. That itself is just an illusion, the Fraction and the Whole are one and the same thing. The very experience you are experience now is All there is. It is everything all of Existence holds and ever will hold. It doesn't matter whether you see it or not, because all the Enlightened Ones, all the Non-enlightened Ones, they are all here already. This is the snake eating itself while giving birth to itself. When you see all of this you will not be able to help yourself but contribute so that this very Fraction will be a servant of the whole. If you see that this Fraction of Love is what causes the Multiverse Firework of Love, you will not be able to resist but to become part of that Firework, as you infact already are. The Fraction will realize it is the Whole, and if it is the Whole, what else could it now do but to cause the Whole? The next time you listen to music, try to see that every little sound, every little experience is that Eternal Firework of Love. That Eternal Firework, all of that Evolution, just to cause itself, cause this very moment. The Eternal Firework bursting in just the right ways so that you would not see it for what it is. That is what this is. It is the Full and Complete Will of God. It is not Linear, it is Circular. All of the Multiverses and Planets and Civilizations, all of them together are nothing but this very moment you are experiencing right now. Unconsciousness is a fully Conscious and deliberate Illusion.

I don't know what you mean by wrong. You are not actually conscious of the standpoint of the universe, you are conscious of a story you tell about the universe. It's easy to tell that this is not coming from a place of "higher consciousness". This is all your ego talking, making excuses to justify itself. If this was an honest question, you wouldn't be questioning whether it's fine to consume animals. You would ask yourself if it's fine to rape children. Sit down and ask yourself the very same questions about raping and torturing little children. Less evolved simply means that evolution towards higher complexity tends to remove that certain state of affairs. The Spiritual Level is a Level of Isness. The prescription you are seeking are part of that Isness. Me not wanting you to consume meat is as much part of Existence as you wanting to continue to consume your meat. Stop asking moral question to the Great Eye of Isness. The Great Eye of Isness will simply show you what is. And everything Is, including all moral propositions. Pedophelia Is. Pedophelia resistance is. The only question you have to ask yourself is what the world is. You are still looking at this as if it was a story. There is no answer for why it is less evolved. It is less evolved because the very fabric of the Being has determined it so. That's all. Why is Redness red? Because it is. End of story. Look at the world for what it is. If you see that, you will be able to see where it is going, what it is growing towards. If you then happen to seek to do so, you can consciously contribute to that. You are contributing to it right now, merely in an unconscious way. Contribution is all there is. In the end, what is, is that given the choice to save the pig, I would accept killing you for the pig. And what is, is that you would resist that. And then evolution would come to conclude what the Truth is. The Truth will always be what is. I made a thread on this particular issue, maybe it can help you:

The reason why it is less evolved is very simply because of the fact that evolution will exterminate consumption of animals in the human context in an optimal future. There are a few reasons for why this will inevitably happen: Environmental factors will force us to adjust our consumption significantly As society grows more mature, it becomes more compassionate in general, leading to an inability to accept the suffering and death we are causing to others Technological progress will render it inefficient to grow entire animals for specific parts So the reason for why it is less evolved is because evolution will evolve away from it, much like within the human context it is evolving away from things like rape, murder and war. It's a necessary consequence of higher complexity, atleast on this planet. I don't quite understand what you mean by "spiritual standpoint". There is no such thing as a spiritual standpoint. And if there is, the spiritual standpoint is fine with war, rape, murder, torture, pedophelia, holocausts and everything else that you can imagine. I would not make an appeal to spirituality for moral issues.

This should be moved to another subforum I accidentally posted it here.

Atleast he got somewhat close, he was on Russia Today in the Pre-Debate Show. He turns centrists into progressives factory assembly line style. If only he wasn't okay with torturing animals for fun...

Vaush would just look like a ranting socialist, and he is a budget Destiny, so why not just use Destiny instead.

What do you guys think of this?

This is a good point. If you yourself are Gay, you don't need to be Green to fight for your own rights. Otherwise every homosexual person would be stage green. There is a huge difference for people wanting to give a disadvantaged out-group rights, like a non-LGBTQ person fighting for LGBTQ rights, and someone who simply fights for their own rights, like a LGBTQ person fighting for LGBTQ rights. LGBTQ can be an individualistic, stage orange pursuit, especially when talking about a person fighting for their own rights and survival, as is depicted in the image you showed. Also there are contrarian movements that can be lower stage. So I can be for LBGTQ rights just to spite the traditionalist Blue, or to show how I am opposed to them. There can be many things going on that are not due to compassion and empathy towards those who are disadvantaged. I observed an interesting dynamic in some african americans who are part of Black Lifes Matter. When you confront them about veganism, they will include veganism not because they care about animals, but simply because they want their own pursuit for individualistic values to be recognized. They for example might stop being vegan because the vegans don't support Black Lives Matter. Here you can clearly see that they aren't interested in helping those who are disadvantaged, in this case the animals, but merely use the label to propogate the ideology that will help them gain their own rights. This is a stage orange pursuit, not a stage green pursuit. Much like a prisoner might be stage red, and stage green might fight for the prisoners rights. Of course the stage red person will agree with it and has been fighting for those rights all along, however that doesn't make them stage green.

I can imagine that Leo would say one 5-MeO experience is not enough, or that it had to be done in a certain way with a certain dosage etc. so I don't exactly if that singular experience is sufficient. Do people usually realize Love when taking 5-MeO-DMT once? I don't think they agree about Infintie Depth. Conceptually I think Frank used a good analogy. When you have a Fractal Zoom in, the zooming itself is the state of recognition, or enlightenment. Infinity is revealed, as it is the process of endless expansion. It can expand and expand forever, but what is not important is the amount or degree of expansion, but the very process of expansion itself. That is what Infinity is. So to Frank enlightenment is to have a constant and clear awareness of the expansion itself. Once that is achieved, any point of expansion is just a point of expansion. It seems however that Leo disagrees about something more fundamental than who is more expanded or not. He seems to claim that expansion itself is Love, and that that particular insight is of a different category that the mere recognition of Expansion or Infinity. Traditional Enlightenment would be the recogition of Empty Expansion, and Leo's claim is that of recognizing what that Emptiness is, which he claims is Love.

That's some nasty stuff. Weird, I also noticed that I have a strange reaction to turmeric, it was so noticable that I actually avoid using it now. That Chapter 6: Health History sounds really similar to my own, I wonder if I could have some sort of issue with heavy metal poisoning aswell. It's so similar that I myself also basically work laying down most day because sitting and standing is really uncomfortable, causing me back pain which I always attributed to bad posture, but who knows. I also remember that me and my father had a really bad reaction to the flu shots we got, so who knows maybe it is somehow related. But it could also be completely unrelated and due to some other issue, or a combination of issues, or no issue at all. It's so hard to tell, health and energy issues are the most annoying and untransparent thing there is. And then you have Bob eating McDonalds, drinking coffee and smoking cigarrets being able to focus and thrive like some sort of genetically engineed super-human.

Simple. Leo has to get traditionally Enlightened, and the Enlightened people have to go on a Leo adviced trip. We can then determine what people come to conclude.

Sure, but you don't have to be even close to green to fight for LGBTQ rights.

I highly doubt these are green. Be careful not to confuse ideology with stages of development.

Body and mind, which is the relevant factor here in terms of how damaging it is to a person. Or do you think having sex with a 17 year old is the same as having sex with a 5 year old? There is also a difference between being attracted to a 16 year old, which I remember hearing was in a study found to be the most physically attractive age to men on average, versus being attracted to a 8 year old, which is abnormal obviously. I don't think Sex Trafficking is good either way, but saying it was a pedophile ring draws a very different picture from the rather usualy underage sex trafficking that is very common in the world. Especially if the persons were around the age bracket of 17 rather than something like 12.

Is that true? All I heard so far is about underage persons, not prepubescent persons. I think there is an important distinction to be made between sex-trafficking of underage people and actual pedophelia.

@datamonster Explore this: To reach stillness, you do not need to become still. To reach stillness, all you must do is recognize the stillness within motion.

@datamonster Infact, even my response falls into this trap in terms of the kind of language I used. Just notice it. "What I need to do instead is just Seeing it, not avoiding it, that's what I need to do!", your mind might think and feel. Now, notice that. Just observe it. That's all. Just let me See. Just let me See. Just let me See. When you see, you will come to see that Life itself is the ultimate Seeing. That there is nothing more to See.

No, this is infact the opposite of what you have to do. Your mind is so confused within it's morality that it cannot even recognize it anymore. You have once more created a judgement. What you need to do instead is to recognize when you use it as an excuse to be judgemental. You need to See it, not avoid it. If you wanted to avoid it, you wouldn't have created a World full of it. If you didn't want to suffer, suffering wouldn't exist. You are here precisely because you are supposed to See all of Creation.

You observe yourself being judgemental and be clear about you being judgemental. You will never stop being judgemental, if you were to become unjudgemental you would be a rock. Your job is not to stop being judgemental, your job is to clearly see your judgement, to see it for what it is. Meditation is not about stopping thinking, but clearly seeing it, not getting lost and absorbed by it. If you say "Man, I should stop being judgemental because that's low consciousness", that itself is judgemental. You haven't escaped judgement. It's like thinking about stopping to think. You will only further delude yourself if you attempt to do this. Instead, clearly observe the nature of judgement, let it flow through the lense of consciousness. This will change judgement, and maybe one day it shall be almost gone entirely. By clear Seeing, and by detached Awareness. Not by judging judgement. This is why the concept of low consciousness is a trap. It is the perfect way for your ego to trick itself. This is why you cannot observe high or low consciousness by the amount of judgement someone else has, or doesn't have. There are plenty of people around, on this forum, and in the spiritual community, to pride themselves to be non-judgemental whilst completely blind to what I am speaking of here. Don't forget, the Highest Consciousness is literally Hitler wanting to exterminate all jews. Your job is not to change content, but to See content. That is what meditation is about, about Clear Seeing. If your goal instead is to stop being judgemental, you are infact in a moral pursuit, not in a pursuit of Truth and Consciousness. This is fundamental to recognize. This will be true until you can clearly recognize how your judgement blinds you to the Truth. But by the time you see that, the answer to the question you have asked will have long revealed itself to you. If you stopped being judgemental, you would never come to truly see what Judgement is. This is why we must experience that which we seek to truly come to See.