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They are little love creation machines. And they don't even have to do anything to create the love, they just have to be themselves. The love they create within you, that is what you should thank them for. Imagine if there was a God and he created all of this, and he loved all of his Creation. Imagine how much Love it would give him, yet at the same time he would be the one giving the Love.

Precisely. This is why answers are not the means by which this work is encouraged, but rather questions. The question will make you start to look, and that is all you need. If you have an answer, you have a nice fancy answer you can look at. You will take your answer and you will put it on a shelve. And from there you will observe your answer, you will masturbate to it. The answer will consume your attention. The question is not important, what is important is the fact that it will make you look for an answer. The trick is to never find an answer, but to rather look until you See.

Sometimes it seems like people forget that this work is about Seeing. It is not about realizing, concluding, understanding, knowing. The Truth is Seen, it is not understood. The understanding of that which is seen is just a thought to make sense. To make sense is to survive. That's all. You cannot disagree about Seeing, you can only disagree about realizations, conclusions, understanding and knowledge. Seeing itself is just Seeing, there is nothing to be disagreed about there. That which I see is that which I see, and that which you see is that which you see. Seeing can be replaced with being. Knowledge is seen, but knowledge is not Seeing. Disagreement really is just an illusion.

@Leo Gura I cannot imagine that you are unaware of this. I will try to use more precise language. You cannot disagree nor agree about Isness. You can only disagree or agree about interpretations, thoughts and concepts you have that you call Isness. Anything you agree or disagree about is necessarily a thought, as disagreement and agreement is itself a thought.

You are correct, you cannot agree nor disagree about Isness! Never made such a claim that I am survival free, I wouldn't be here talking to if I were, lol.

I never said life can be lived without interpretation, infact I said the exact opposite. I said that interpretation is solely a function of survival. You seem to not see what I am pointing to when I refer to Isness. You cannot disagree about Isness, you can only disagree about belief. Not a single person in all of existence has ever disagreed about Isness. Infact, disagreement itself is Isness. I also never said that interpretations or assumptions stop. They belong in the realm of survival, and it seems like humans like to turn everything into a game of survival, even spirituality.

Time-stamped an interesting point. This is what I mean by Explorer vs Master. The Explorer will come back and have an urgency to talk about his experience, because it is not actual for him. It was temporary and is now gone, so he has to use his memory and concepts to attempt to communicate it. The master has no true need to do this, because it is his lived experience. He will be able to show the experience through the way he is, not just by the concepts he is communicating. Infact, the explorer is so excited about sharing his memories that he will not take into consideration whether or not what he will say will be detrimental to the flourishing of those with whom he is communicating. The explorers priority is sharing, rather than recreating the experience, expanding it into others.

This moment right now is god's end game.

No, I am working within your philosophical framework at the moment. To me it is irrelevant whether I myself come to conclude anything about reality. That to me is a function of survival. I cannot take it seriously anymore. The entire "This is the way it is!" idea to me is a function of ego. It has no other purpose. This is why only the human mind does this, because it has evolved to do so. No other mind has a need to do this, because what is, simply is. Isness does not need to be discovered, revealed, nor spoken of. I do not like the intellectual approach to this because it is so ridicilous. It is liking reading a poem and calling it science. That's not what this is. This is just music. But it is sold as if it was something else. It is like a chimp in a business suit. It turns Life into categories and sentences. This is the trap Connor is in. He listens to his thoughts, he interprets. But there is no need to interpret anything. There is no need to teach anyone. There is no one to save, to made more conscious. To me the stories Connor tells himself are not different than the entire story about non-duality, realitivity, absolutes and everything else. It's poetry that the mind has a tendency to call science. You cannot disagree about Isness. You can only ever disagree about a belief.

The question I am asking is, is Love imaginary or not?

The question is how do you ever truly see whether you are not conflating relative and absolute notions? Conflating them presupposes that you are unconscious of it. Again and again we find that when we come to say "I have seen it all, I cannot be wrong about this, this is the whole and absolute Truth." that then we came out and said "No wait, there is actually a layer deeper, what I thought I saw was not the end, it was not the whole Truth!".

But if I go into the deepest layers of reality and it disagrees with you or or any other teacher, what would that fundamentally mean? You would certainly call me delusional. You would say "You did not actually reach the deepest layers of reality, otherwise you would have seen what I have seen!". Imagine everyone took psychedelics and were to come to conclude fundamentally different things. And all of them would claim they became conscious of the deepest layers of reality. What would that mean to you?

Do you see these kind of traps in yourself aswell? It is interesting to me that this kind of Absolute Reality mindvirus is a feature of the awakening process. It seems like anything could be perceived to be Absolute Reality. You made claims in the past that you were healing your body directly during a psychedelic experience. How can you be so certain of this? How do you know this happened rather than it just being a lower form of imagination which your mind projects to be undeniable? Connor is as certain of the claims he is making as you are. He views them as reality, not assumptions. It is interesting. I wonder, if you could not disprove or prove the fact that you were able or unable to heal yourself through imagination, would you then say that you were doing just because it seemed to be Absolutely the case? In other words, does it take a process of invalidation to finally make you realize you have been delusional? If that was the case, we have a problem, because then we can question anything you are so absolutely certain about. But some of the claims you make are outside of that which can be invalidated. These are epistemic question I have no idea how you could possibly answer. You would have to claim that everyone would say the very same things you say if they were to experience the same. If they were to have the experience of Reality being Love, it would be impossible for them to believe that it was not actually the Ground of Reality. But you haven proven this at all. What if it will be disproven? What if there will be someone who has seen more than you and who will still claim it's all just illusion, that it all is a projection of the mind. That Reality instead is Empty, as Ralston would say. That the whole Love stick is nothing but Maya.

Many things can happen on this path, this is why in traditions it is done under the supervision of a guide.

Unexpected turn of events.

Quite interesting. I make the biggest progess whenever I throw out all the concepts I have learned about enlightenment, non-duality and so forth. My mind requires true curiousity to look deeply enough to get a glimpse of something.

The just brought Trump on in the public hearing. This is getting so desperate.

I also feel like this new dynamic changes Spiral Dynamics fundamentally. We cannot expect the same progession through the spiral to happen when we have such a large regressive force which basically co-opts the worst of the human mind. It would be foolish to just take a model that came from a pre-internet era and pretend like it would be accurate in the time of internet algorythms.

Why is the consciousness community, especially here, not at the forefront of this? I want a video from Leo on this topic and how we can tackle it.

Love does not need to be said out loud. Sadhguru doesn't need to know that Love is the substance of all things, because Love is the substance of all things. Sadhguru can carry more Love and amplify more love than all of us. He can raise consciousness because he is embodying Love, not because he is talking about it. There is no need for him to use language to speak the words of what existence is and is not. His presence eminates love. The difference between Leo and Sadhguru is the difference between an exploer and a master. The explorer will go and venture forth into the depths, but he will not be able to carry much of what he discovered when he comes home. When he comes home, his only way of communicating what he has seen is through words. The master does not venture anymore, but his very being is adjusted to eminate Love. He has no need for language, because he is the walking Love. He is not carrying Love back home, he is the Love coming back home. The explorer can show us where to go, but he cannot show us what Love is. The master can show even the greatest fool what Love is without showing them anything at all. The explorer is a seeker who is selfish in his goal. He still sees seperation between himself and all other things. This is why he feels he must continue exploring. It is because he does not realize he has already explored all things. There is still a seperation, a selfishness, within his being. As long as seperation exist, there can be no peacefulness. The masters know that Love is all there is, nothing left to do but giving more Love. Seeking love becomes obsolete when you are the one who is the giver of Love. There is no reaching higher and higher states of consciousness, because all states of consciousness already are. They do not need to be reached. There is a time when the explorer dies and the master is born. Giving up the seeking of Love to the pure emanation of Love. The difference between Leo and Christ, Buddha or Sadhguru is not due to a difference of personality, but due to the difference of the maturity of their Soul. This has nothing to do with depth of realization. The master has a clear intuition of his inevitable fate. This is why he can celebrate each and every moment of Life. He does not need to rush to Godhood, because he knows Godhood is already achieved. Whether he knows this or not is irrelevant, he can feel it in his Soul. There is no dick measuring contest of who is more or less conscious of what, because the only dick to measure is his own. The explorer will say understanding (another word for exploration) is essential to Love. But this is false. Love requires no understanding whatsoever. Love can exist within the ant which knows nothing about the world at all. Love gives rise to Understanding, not the other way around.

The new Goodness video is a good example of this. Look how he is talking about a temporary realization, and how he is coming to us trying to explain to us that realization. That is a fascet of the explorer. Explanation can be used by the master aswell, but that is secondary. The master can embody Goodness, anyone who is not blind will be able to see the Goodness coming from the master. That is what makes them so attractive to the moths. To the explorer it's a realization, not a way of being. He does not live in Africa, he is there temporarily. He is not an african. But if he spends enough time within Africa, one day he might become one, he might become part of Africa, rather than just a visitor.

Precisely, the explorer is the master who has not yet realized that he is. What a rude awakening that is. What is more important is that the masters understood that there is no need to even realize that he is the master in the first place. Realization is unimportant. Thus existence was born. The ant, the tree, the ocean and the whale. The master who has no need for Realizations of Truth, because Truth is Truth whether realized or not. No desire for the Unseen to be seen. Yet the Unseen eminates through all things, which is why it will always lure the moths to their own death.