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It's fine, we seem to both not quite trust each other's words, lol. Always more to learn, especially these conversations on forums can be quite challenging for me because I am an intuitive person, and I think I don't come off as well on text.

Sure, good that you pointed that out! Though I think it can give them some motivation knowing that it is possible, and usually people are very resistant to the idea of leaving a relationship if it's their own comfort that prevents intense suffering. I'm not trying to be passive aggressive at all, just point out what I am certain of. Maybe I should not be as certain of it as I am, but your responses only nudge me further into that direction. I do have a tendency to mirror people's energy, so there is probably something you can extract about yourself from my interactions with you.

Yes, what you propose is a bad idea. But that is not what I am proposing. And it actually is possible to influence others in tremendous ways, if one is capable of radiating genuine love. The way most people attempt to fix others has nothing to do with love. Most people are too stuck in their own suffering to help anyone. Like you for example, I can sense fear and suffering in you, that would makes you blind and ignorant to the suffering of others. Your mind does not allow you to be open-hearted, because it has to fear to protect itself from the suffering of this world. And of course, wisdom is a requirement here, too. The idea of fixing someone is an idea stemming from the resistance towards what is. That is not Love.

Not all men are accepting these things, but what you must understand is that we are living in a time of uncertainty and exploration. Norms have been challenged, the world has moved on, and social dynamics have been altered. All of this in an era of human self-indulgence. There are a lot of things happening, a lot of moving parts. And people are afraid, they are suffering, they are addicted. Their minds are struggling in these new environments. And before we can develope the wisdom needed to navigate this new world, there will be a lot of suffering. A lot of fear, dogmatism, loneliness. You haven been swept up by these forces, falling into fear yourself. Like the men who have a certain idea of what women are and want, you now have fallen into the same trap. You have an idea of men and what they deem to be okay and not okay. What matters here are not your ideas, but your fear, your suffering. You have to recognize this and look inward, and mature. Once you do, the suffering of this world will be revealed to you, and you will understand perfectly well why men and women say and do the things they do. They are blind children, clawing for happiness, in a world in which their minds have been altered in ways so that what they seek cannot ever fullfill them. A world which needs to take the next step, the step that you must take too. You have so much more potential than you think. You can not only be a person who has their own selfish desires fullfilled, you can be the one who inspires others. There is no other solution here, because that is our place on the earth. We must mature, that is the purpose of our suffering.

You definitely need to work on your self-esteem issues and your inner wounds, as you described them. As long as you don't resolve them you will fall into codependencies with other people, and accept things in your life that you would not if you were of healthy mind and heart. Maybe Emerald's work will resonate more with you, watch some of her videos and apply them: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDiamondNet/videos And you also need to learn communication skills. If you like the person you are with, and they are making you feel uncomfortable like this, communicate and discuss that with them. It takes maturity to be able to communicate one's own desires and needs, and for a healthy relationship that kind of maturity is just paramount. I have had relationships with very dysfunctional people, and I was able to heave them out of the depths of hell because I was able to interact with them in a mature way. You can be an example if you develope yourself, someone who can bring out the potential in people. It takes some level of distance and wisdom, but that is all this work is about. If you are dependent though, it will be difficult to truly interact with people in a genuine and authentic way, simply because of fear. Your fear will stifle all love in your relationships.

If Destiny wasn't a debate bro, he would have never been able to influence Sneako the way he is doing here. One of the important things about Spiral Dynamics is that people need individuals close to their stage to kind of guide them on a healthy pathway towards the next stage, or to keep them from falling into all the pitfalls of the different stages. You cannot connect to people at lower levels if you cant engage them on their level. The problem with Stage green and why it is so dysfunctional at the moment is because there was a runaway effect. People transitioned to fast, left people behind which then just lead to a dig heels in the sand moment, each reacting to the other. The further one side is apart from the other, the less likely it is that an individual will transition to the other side. It becomes more and more difficult for evolution to take place. This is why the current stage green evolutionary pathway must be cut off, and we have to build a better pathway towards the high stages. Destiny is basically serving that function, but we need far more people to do so.

@Carl-Richard Think of it this way. Someone who looks back at medieval times, and says "wars were so useless, such an unnecessary way of life! Wars should have never happened!", is not really looking at things through a systemic lense. If you look at wars, sure they are ugly. A lot of people die, it's a tragedy. But that's a moralistic approach to the question. The systems thinking approach would ask questions like: "Why did wars happen? Did wars serve an important function in the developmental context of the time? How were wars necessary and essential for the development and evolution of mankind?" etc. Can you see that these questions are fundamentally different from the first sets of statements someone might make, who demonizes war? Now, when you say "Debates are a waste of time! Debate is not convincing anyone! Debate bro culture is silly!", you are doing the same thing. Rather, find answers to these questions: Why is debate culture emerging? Why is debate culture so popular now? What function does debate culture serve on a systemic and societal level? What necessary function might debates serve within this context of development? How is debate culture necessary for the evolution of mankind? I want you to assume that there is a good and important reason for the existence of these dynamics. That they serve a grand evolutionary process. Use that as a default approach to anything that happens on a systemic level. You are free to look at those barbarians beneath you, and judge them from the top of the mountain for the silly games they are playing. But this really just means that you are the fool, for not seeind the grander picture. For not seeing that they are enacting a force that contains far more wisdom than you ever will. A force that you can only hope to partially decypher with your limited human mind. And once you approach things from that kind of lense, the more things in reality you approach from that kind of perspective, the wiser you will grow. Stop assuming that just because you are more developed than others, that you are above reality itself. Because that is what you are criticizing here, the intelligence and wisdom of evolution itself. Maybe debate bro culture is a fundamental stepping stone towards the evolution of an intelligent species. Look at it precisely the other way around. Look at debate culture, look at war, and realize "Oh my god, this is what will lead to the kingdom of heaven.". Only then will you be free of your blinding arrogance, and recognize that being part of this culture, might very well mean being part of the evolutionary process on earth. Look at Adolf Hitler, and see in him a bringer of peace. Someone who has brought to earth a century of unprecedented stability, by confronting mankind with the limitations of their selfishness and lack of wisdom. This is how evolution happens, and this is how it will continue to happen, until we grow beyond it.

It's like you are saying that swords shouldn't be used in all situations. Of course, that's obvious. With Destiny it's a bit complex because he literally is a debater, but in that context what he is doing is what you could expect from someone breaching into Tier 2. He has developed, over the past year or so, a very good sense of when the sword is appropriate and when it is not. There is a reason why Destiny is so good at deradicalizing people, and he is also very aware of his own limitations. See, Spiral Wizardry doesn't mean you can influence everyone to the ultimate degree as if you can mind-control them. No, it means that you are aware of when and how you can influence them, and in what regards you are limited in influencing them. The fact that Destiny is so flexible with his approach is what makes him so wizardry. He is not as ideologically attached to one approach, and he is focused on "what works", rather than how he wants the world to be. You can pretend debates are not effective at influencing people, but debates are still had, and it's the battlefields of the 21st century. You can choose to not participate in them, but then don't complain when the world shifts towards toxic stage orange because nobody is willing to go down to their level to face them in the arena. Wars are not always about convincing the other side, sometimes it's simply about one side not being able to take over the entire world.

Interviewing someone and being able to influence them through interfacing with them is not the same thing. Read the post I wrote fully and you will realize why MrGirl is clearly less developed than Destiny, he shows all the hallmarks of Tier 1 limitations, he infact is defined by them. A stage green person interviewing and making lower stage individuals feel nice is worlds apart from spiral wizardry. Richard used MrGirl as a tool, he does not have an ounce of respect for him. The only people MrGirl is influencing is the small subset of the population which is at a particular developmental stage to be ready to take steps into the orange-green perversion which is MrGirls ideology.

Destiny played it perfectly here, it's probably the best move with the best outcome that was possible. He resonated with him because he lowered himself to his level, and was able to win him over to the extent to which that is possible. What you offered is not a Tier 2 approach at all, what you offered is actually what someone at a lower stage would assume a Tier 2 approach to look like. It's hard to argue why exactly this is, but if you approached Sneako with the attitude you did there you would have been crushed and not achieved anything. It's like how stage green interacts with stage red, it just doesn't work. They don't understand stage red, and they don't understand what it takes to influence stage red. They approach it from their own lense, from their own stage of development. They think they can fix stage red, they think they know what stage red needs and wants. But they do not. MrGirl is the perfect example. His attitude is a good mixture of stage green and orange, and that is exactly the type of person who he resonates with. He would actually be incapable of interfacing with people of lower stages, and that's because he is not Tier 2. His idea of what is good conversation, what is convincing, is not what is convincing to others. What Destiny did here is literally the perfect example, 10/10, of spiral wizardry. Text-book execution, masterful. Tier 2 knows when it's the right time to pull the sword and fight to the death, whereas ideologues and Tier 1 thinkers like MrGirl would face reality and perish. Their perspective, their attitude, their system of thinking, is functional in a very narrow spectrum of development. To the greater degree you are Tier 2, to the greater degree you will be flexible and capable of interfacing with all developmental stages. MrGirl has this naive and narrow notion of development, where he attempts to create an absolute resolution to the problem, where he says "This is the way, this will fix everything, if people were only more like this!". But that is not true. His perspective only works on a specific subset of the population, solving a very narrow field of limitations. Tier 2 recognizes that you cannot just heave people into heaven. You can't get greedy, rather than projecting your own potential onto them, you start to realize that you cannot change a person fundamentally, but that you can influence them. And once you realize that, you can focus on that which is productive, that which will lead to actual progress. You help them to do one small baby step, rather than deluding yourself that you can carry them to the top of the mountain. And that is precisely the delusion MrGirl suffers from, which is his biggest limitation. Notice how you think that Tier 2 is one specific approach, "Tier 2 looks like what MrGirl is doing!". But that literally is Tier 1 thinking. Tier 2 is flexible and adaptible, the very notion of a "right approach", is flawed. Like I said, Tier 2 can look like war, because sometimes war is the best and most effective solution to the problem. Only someone of Tier 1 would say they would let the jews get holocausted because they don't want to use mindcontrol on people. MrGirl would have talked to the Nazi's, tried to convince them otherwise. You know that this approach would be limited, in clear ways. That's why he is not Tier 2, Tier 2 will recognize that war was the best and most loving solution.

Of course it's Tier 2. The Tier 1 relativists will think that everyone is unique and there are no patterns in what leads to human fullfillment and happiness, but that is simply not true. By your logic Leo's entire work is Tier 1. Additionally, Destiny (like a spiral wizard ), intentionally frames things in a way that will resonate with the person he will talk to. Meaning, he is aware that not everyone will enjoy a certain lifestyle, but that most people are delusional about the kind of lifestyle their pursuit, thinking that they are the unique butterfly for whom this is just the right thing. It's actually one Tier 2 thing Destiny lately has adopted, where he will adjust the frameworks and narratives he uses, and the certainty with which he makes certain claims, because he is aware of how it will otherwise be perceived by an individual at a certain stage. By the way, he was successful in doing this, because he Sneako changed his position and recognized he doesn't actually want to pursuit the kind of lifestyle Andrew Tate is aspousing. So this is the worst example you could have used to show he is Tier 1. He did precisely what someone like Sneako would respect, delivering it with conviction and a lack of relativity/ambivalence. Remember, someone like Sneako won't respect your nonsense if you tell them "Well, maybe this isn't for you Sneako, most people don't find fullfillment in this!". People like him need that kind of confrontation for it to sink in.

This is a really good framework to help understanding today's dating culture, and what's currently going on in the red-pill communities. If you watch that, and then this: You'll really get a good grasp of where things are currently heading and what kind of pitfalls are awaiting Stage Orange sexual culture. It explains why people like Andrew Tate are currently so popular and it explains incel culture on a systemic level. And the obvious systemic inadequacies of the prevalent culture. You can view this as the extreme's of stage orange.

I know, multiple moderators on this forum have left or given up their moderation role because of Leo's lack in this regard. Not sure if Leo can do much about it to be honest, but combined with his overconfidence it can be a little annoying sometimes, lol. But hey we all have our flaws, maybe it's one of the reasons why he can focus so much on the things he has focused on. But I do think certain takes he has have to be taken with a grain of salt, and people ought to be aware of that in my opinion. He has developed a bit more awareness around this for the past few years, where he is recognizing that he is pretty different from people and lacks experience in certain domains completely.

No, I think Leo has a literal lack of capacity for empathy. I'm not talking about him choosing to ignore it, I'm talking about him lacking structures in his brain that give him the capacity to perceive certain things. And it's sometimes mindblowing to me that people don't recognize this, it's like the most obvious thing in the world to me.

You don't know if he has genuinely deep understanding of enlightenment, consciousness, God, love etc. You could only know that if you yourself had that knowledge, and if you had, you wouldn't be asking the kind of questions you are. Getting laid is not the same as getting a relationship, they are two completely seperate area's of mastery. And it does not seem like Leo has spent a lot of time mastering the latter. Don't put so much trust into him, use your own mind and explore this issue yourself.

Not to be rude, but I don't know if Leo is the right guy to ask considering he is not really that much of an expert on relationships? I feel like his lack of empathy kind of hinders him from actually understanding human beings, so a lot of it comes from intellectualization, similar to his framework around enlightenment and so forth. I mean sometimes, the "insights" in regards to people and human psychology he talks about in his videos are so mindblowing to me that I am not sure if he doesn't have some form of autism. Just my perspective so take that with a grain of salt.

I think that's a wise attitude to hold. It's also a bad idea to jump on a bandwagon that by now might make it difficult for you to compete in the first place. You run the risk of no reward while compromising some of your core values. I also feel like people just don't realize the potential there is in this kind of market. OnlyFans is like the fast food of porn, you could easily pioneer some more sophisticated form of "sex-entertainment", that might not even necessitate compromising yourself in the way that you might feel is betraying yourself. But it would most likely involve more work than just taking pictures of yourself and uploading them. In my view, to not live a miserable life, your work has to be more than just effortless money generation. It has to involve creativity, artistry, vision, passion and love. People do not even understand what they are missing, because of the developmental stage we are at currently. Everything you see in sex-entertainment is stage orange, the McDonald's of sexuality. Everything is reduced to pure sexual pleasure. But to those who are more developed, a sexual experience is so much more than just this narrow spectrum of emotion we have reduced it to in the 21st century. It really is like fast food, people's palates are so desensitized, so overstimulated, that if you gave them a meal prepared by a world class cook, they would call it bland. There is a growing market in "audio erotica" for example, and I do feel it is atleast somewhat less degrading than things like OnlyFans. I would imagine, atleast if one has a passion and joy for the production of such things, that it is more fullfilling than doing something where everything is basically just centered around visual stimulation. And of course a more conscious person could probably nudge their own product in the direction that they would want to, rather than playing into the sexual reductionism we are observing everywhere.

The need for drama has a cause, it's not just causeless and random. It will appear that way to the degree to which you lack understanding in regards to the feminine/human nature in general.

It's very hard to tell what's going on from what you wrote, there can be a multitude of causes for this kind of behavior. It could be that her frustration manifests because you act in some undesirable way. Usually people don't like to be honest about what exactly they want, often times in fact it is unconscious to them. So when they are dissatisfied by some of your behavior or traits, which cannot be outright criticized, they will basically keep it inside of them until their frustration is so large it simply bursts out in what you call a "mental breakdown". For example, it might not be that she is frustrated at you because you accidentally turned the phone away, what might actually be going on is that she feels ignored by you. Maybe you are not paying attention to her, or making her feel like you acknowledge her presence. She might not be sitting next to you just because she is interested in your screen, she might actually be there to spent time with you. When you turn your phone while she was watching, it means you weren't even aware that you were spending time together, you didn't even realize what she was doing. Maybe this happened a few times, and that was the moment when she snapped. With the forgetting, the issue might not be that you forgot about something, but rather that this was one more signal to her that you don't care about her, or pay enough attention to her so that she feel like you care about her and her life. And then, when you apologize, you make things worse, because she intuits that you don't even know what you are doing wrong. She might once more interpret that as you not caring for her, or she might simply get frustrated that you are this way, and she lacks the maturity to be aware of her own desires as well as the ability to communicate this to you in a way that she would find non-confrontational. This is just an example of what could be going on, it's just a random guess. The important thing here is to realize that the potential root issue is found in a general behaviour or attitude you display, rather than the instances you think caused the reaction. For example, many women want to feel desired by their partner, but they usually won't tell you to make them feel desired, because that misses the point. They don't want you to act like you desire them because they told you so, they actually want you to desire them. That's what makes them feel desirable. And of course, you must communicate your desire for her in a way so that it translates to her feeling desired. There could also be something completely else going on, a way you act that she simply does not like, which then leads to conflict in different areas. Maybe you are not emotionally available to her, there are so many possibilities here. Now, nobody call really tell you exactly what is going, and the solution here is not to do guess-work. What lacks in both of you is maturity and communication skills. Clearly something is going on, so what needs to happen is that you talk about this, and you two introspect about what is going on. You might ask her "There must be something I'm doing that is frustrating you.", and she might say "No... I'm sorry I didn't mean to get angry, everything is fine.", but that might simply be because she is unaware of what she desires, due to lack of self-knowledge, or she might not feel comfortable talking about such things due to her immaturity. To establish such habits might not work with an individual who is not mature enough. To such individuals, the optimal situation is that you read their mind and act the way they want you to, but obviously that is not a sustainable solution, so you have to find a way to mature. If you want to be able to "mind-read", what you need to do is connect to your feminine side. The reason why men who are connected to their femininity can be so successful with women is because, it allows them to better connect to their partner, to naturally be in sync with them, even if they don't act feminine at all. If you are connected to your femininity, chances are you would be aware of why she is acting this way in the first place. You could look at your own behaviour and look at it through the lense of the feminine.

I am contemplating whether or not to try and set up my first psychedelic experience soon, and currently I am eyeing 1V-LSD as a potential candidate, because of it's ease of access and legal-status in germany. Before I do more research on it, I want to ask some people here if they have experience with this substance, and whether or not they can recommend it? As a heads up, I'm a complete noob as far as this topic goes. I basically want this trip to be an introduction into psychedelics, not for recreational purposes but rather for consciousness exploration and hopefully some self-improvement, but most importantly to finally take the first steps to explore this to me novel domain. I would preferably want to do this trip alone, too, which I know is not recommended. Oh and one thing to add, one of my primary motivations for why I want to start to explore psychedelics now is because I very much feel like I need an out of the box experience, where I can recontextualize my life as a whole. I feel very mentally stuck, and I intuit that a psychedelic experience might be able to shake me out of that and allow me to see beyond the know of tunnel vision I am suffering from at the moment.

So, my intuition currently is shifting towards the position that a lot of young women confuse their self hatred, dissatisfaction with the role of a woman, disgust of their own body due to social media influences as gender dysphoria. This is a position MrGirl has arrived at, a lot of reports from transgender individuals in US colleges seem to confirm that there is a large number of women who seem to have a completely different experience from individuals with genuine gender dysphoria. For a confused teenager, who is bombarded on social media with different kinds of ideologies, I think it is exceptionally difficult to find out what is wrong with one. How does one know whether or not ones self-hatred is not gender dysphoria? Especially for teenage girls, who seem to have a hard time since the advent of social media, having to compare themselves to other women and so forth, I can imagine the current ideologies proposed by even the most extreme activistis to be very attractive. If one hates ones position in society as a woman, one hates ones body because one is not as attractive as a proposed ideal, it becomes very alluring to say that all ones problems stems from the fact that one is in the wrong role, the wrong body. It not only gives one a cause for all one's suffering, it also makes one special, which is something troubled teenagers usually gravitate toward (think of the emo or punk movements for example). I do very much get the sense that what we are seeing is more of a social phenomena, rather than one rooted in some sort of genuine dysfunction in the brain. What do you guys think?

Very interesting, I suppose that is plausible.

Oh right Rebel Wisdom was influential in that regard for me too! I think it very much is a stage yellow project, which I think the information processing thing is. Yes, but these challanges we are facing are managable, it is actually surprising just how managable they are. To me it is very plausible that at some point, we will be sufficiently technologically advanced that it will take a single irresponsible or malicious actor on this planet to destroy the entire planet. Now, this might not be true because of the way technology usually evolves in ways to counter-act some of the devastating consequences it might have, but let's assume this will not be the case for some technologies. At some point we might be so technologically sophisticated that everyone will have a device to create anything they please on a molecular level, with the help of some sort of sophisticated AI that aids in the creation. This means anyone in their future-version of a garage will be able to build weapons of mass destructions and release them. Maybe even self-replicating weapons of mass destruction. Once that kind of critical technological development is achieved, it will require every single actor within that space to have almost no margin for error in regards to the functionality of their behavior. Psychopathy cannot exist in such a world, nor the deep selfishness that most humans display today. Everyone will required to be a responsible, wise individual, to a degree that most of us today cannot even imagine. If we would be confronted with the challenges of that possible future today, we would go extinct, no question about it. These problems that we will face are monumental, they will require something beyond a human to solve. And chances are, by that time something beyond a human will exist. Something that is not limited by the evolutionary legacy that keeps us so bound to our old ways. Self-replicating nanobots that consume all organic matter, star-destroying weapons of mass destruction, means of travel that bend space and gravity to our will, all of these problems are too monumental for us to face right now. But one day, when we are mature enough, we might be able to face them, or we will develope past a critical mass which will ensure that these problems will never even occur, or be realistic threats, because we have grown so much by that time. So to put in in perspective, the challenges we face today are really just child's play. We are expected to overcome them, because if we do not, we cannot stand a chance against what awaits us in the future.

And then it turns out we won't get invited, lol.

Who needs James Carses when we have Kojima-san? All kidding aside though, this insight came to me when I realized how valuable it is to know the right people, and know who to listen to. There is so much information on the net, it becomes overwhelming when you don't know how to distinguish between good and bad information. It is so much information, that for people who do not know how to navigate it, it can be far more harmful than good. But when you are able to sift out the bad and find ways to locate the good, your competitive advantage today is significant. I have never heard of the "Infinite Game" notion but it sounds interesting. It's not about if we can wise up in time. My entire point is that these challenges are what will force us to become wiser. Without them, we would never become wise. Like without the asteroid, the birds wouldn't rule the skies the way they do today, and humans would not walk the earth. AI, and all the challenges that come with it, they are a direct expression of the intelligence of the divine. It is not a mistake, it is the way evolution works. We are given these experiences so we can grow.