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I think you just like being a bully. No, I have not lost all common sense, it's not my fault you can't see the profundity of what I am speaking of. I suspect it is because of certain biases resulting from the particular path you took. And in this way, I have recognize a single human cannot ever experinece all of Infinity. The very point of Infinity is that it can never be fully explored, it requires infinite entities. And nothing you will ever get to explore will be the end of it, and nothing you will ever recognize will be the maximum. It's Endless. You are just arrogant, so you make yourself out to be a special snowflake, and that is part of your pathway through Infinity. So, it confirms, the ego structure is paramount in the exploration of infinity, because through it's dissolution, and the particular manner of it's dissolution, it can travel through the pathways towards infinity that it's particular form takes from that location, as a metaphor.

It's a thing of perception, you are making a language game out of it. It really doesn't make sense to apply it to language because existence is impossibility, so to engage in existence, or illusion, means to engage in impossibility. That's how relationships between 1 = redness can exist. Delusion means Connection. And framing it as mental projections and imagination is bias, a construct you have made for yourself.

Okay bad faith, strawman-Andy. What you fail to see is that everything is an Absolute Feature of everything, that's Infinity. You can find in everything Infinity, and in that way, any duality into Infinity. The flower is also Absolute ugliness. The problem is you pick and choose and then you go around saying things are this and that.

If you recognize that the experience was merely an intermingling of your own projections and imagination, you should recognize why it is delusional.

I am chill my friend.

What I would tell the child is that, it's not the flower that is beautiful, it's her own mind. Her recognition of the what the flower is has created beauty, and in that way, she is the sovereign of beauty, the source of beauty. It is her mind that is carrying beauty, not shapes of the flower. The fact that the daughter say the flower is beautiful, tells me about the grace of her mind, not anything about the flower. And that is what you seem to fail to recognize. It is her connection to the flower that is beautiful, not the flower itself. The flower is the flower, nothing more, nothing less.

Someone can be deluded about some things and be insightful about other things. You are deluded about Nessness/Isness and the nature of delusion/deeming. Like I think you could go completely insane, and become more aware about certain aspects of God, while becoming less and less aware of others. Awareness is complex, it is not simple progress towards higher and higher levels of everything. In fact, it might be that the way ego minds are structured in this reality necessitates that some insights will make you insanely delusional in some manners. That might simply be the limitation of the human mind.

Leo, EVERYTHING is EVERYTHING. The problem is that you have say the mouse kangaroo i more beautiful than any other animal on earth. That's not true, the degree to which an animal is beautiful depends on the BEAUTY, not the ANIMAL. Which means, it will be as beautiful as you are capable of projecting onto it. If you can't see, I'm sorry but you are delusional imo.

Yes I don't understand what Rolston teaches because I don't follow him. From my perspective, the same applies. Even if you have become conscious of some things i might not have, you have not become conscious of the Beingness of Beauty, or any other substance of existence. Things are not beautiful, unless it is deluded (deemed/imagined) so. I am telling you that the way you speak to others is by undermining them. You do not encourage them on their path, all you do is replace their authority with yours. Just look at the kind of people you produce. You could see eating shit leads to enlightenment and everyone on this forum would start eating shit. I don't like that, and I don't like how you are unaware of the way you interact with people and to what kind of minds that leads, no matter how awake you are. I asked myself, the answer is because I want you to recognize that you are not a teacher, you are a leader. That's the way you interact with people and that's the way you communicate your understanding. There is like, no sophistication in the way you approach teaching, and it is damaging to people in my view. Most of the people listening to you now are not doing so for the right reasons, and this kind of acting only exaggerates this dynamic. Also notice how I simply shared my experience with you. That only beauty is beauty. You don't talk about why that is wrong, and you don't tell me how I can achieve an insight to realize that is wrong. You just tell me I'm wrong and dumb. That's all you did. And I do think you genuinely lack insight into what I am speaking of here, and it leads to a lot of delusion.

I never talked about spirituality or true spirituality, I am just reporting what I became conscious of. You can play as much spiritual games with me as you want, you cannot undermine my authority, because that's all I have. if I find that you were correct, then that's going to be it. But so far, you just seem delusional, like Ralston. From my perspective I might as well be the only one who has realized the true nature of existence. Good luck to you too, my arrogance is a reflection of yours.

Peter Ralston is equally convinced he knows the Truth as you are, in just the absolute way you think you know yours.

I am reporting what I became conscious of, your opinion is irrelevant. What now, master?

@Leo Gura Let's say I do everything you say and come to completely different conclusions and realizations? What then, you tell me "No you are wrong!", how do I know that you know I am wrong? Ralston told you you are wrong, and yet you showed him the middle finger. You are asking people to undermine their own authority, and trusting your own authority was exactly how you got here. So you are not teaching shit, you are just becoming a leader of ideology.

The fact that you seem unaware of how foolish and childish you sound to anyone who is a genuine seeker is worrying. What, do you expect people to just believe this? Would you have believed this a few years ago? Say I believe you and blast my brain with psychedelics and have the same experience you have, how could I possibly know whether or not I have just created that experience by having intended to have it? None of this will help anyone, it will just attract followers and delude people. Any such teaching will.

It's not about being smart, it's about not being deluded.

Right, but others have experienced Truths that noone else has ever experienced and that are so alien to you that you will never experience them. That's the Nature of Infinity. You still do not understand Infinity, and what we are witnessing here is a unravelling of the limitations you have put upon Infinity, and the way your ego structures react to those new forces. The irony is that you are talking to yourself here, you are doing nothing but making fun of your own ignorance, you just are no realizing it yet. You still have far too many limitations blocking Infinity.

Things are not beautiful, only beauty is beautiful. Beauty is it's own form of existence. To say a thing is beautiful is to say 1 = red. That is illusion. 1 is 1, and red is red. There is no thing in existence that is red but redness. How can you still not see this?

I suspect he is experiencing the same thing Connor Murphy has, it confirms my theory about psychedelics and their effects on certain ego-structures. I suspect that there might be no coming back from this for Leo, once certain structures are dissolved, the most wise person's brain can melt into that of a simple "schizophrenic". But that's expected, exploration and pioneering is fundamentally risky.

Maybe all of buddhism is nonsense, but where would you be if buddhism didn't exist?

Well you might not be kidding, but it is necessitated that everyone who is a genuine seeker ought not to take your word for it and consider the possibility that you are just deluding yourself. You know this. The reason why you are where you are is because you had genuine curiousity for Truth. There was a flame within you that guided you. That's what it takes, nothing else. No amount of teaching will help anyone who does not have that flame. And that's not a problem, because in the wisdom of the Divine, those who ought awaken will be given that flame. The main task of a teacher is to nurture the flame in those who have it and not stand in their way. As a teacher, you can do far more wrong than you can do right. Nobody told you that Buddhism is incorrect. And if they had, what difference would that have made to you? Why would you believe them over anyone else? What must be watched out for as a teacher is to not extinguish the flame within others by making them reliant on your word and wisdom. So the question is, what kind of attitude towards your students turns them into followers? What kind of words are attractive to followers and unattractive to those who have the flame within them?

And if they believe you say the truth, they are equally gullible. No amount of rhetoric will change that fact.

The biggest problem with the entire entertainment industriy that it is reducing the productive capacity of mankind. A responsible and developed species will not waste hours and hours of every week on activities which are enjoyable but lead to nothing useful in the world. The reason for that is simple: You can educate people to find joy in activities which are socially and environmentally useful. We currently live in the wild west, our usage of all forms of media and entertainment is utterly irresponsible and primitive. This will be obvious to people in the future. Our age is akin to people being allowed to murder each other as they see fit, that's the insanity that is going on today. But of course, we are completely blind to it because we cannot see what a truly developed human being even looks like. If half the time spend on entertainment in the west was spend on improving society and the world, we would have heaven on earth already.

Well, nice troll.

I've noticed a kind of attitude within spiritual communities that has always bothered me, and that is to frame spirituality as a race, as "self improvement", as some sort of game you need to win. Especially Leo has this attitude with his constant moralizing and mocking of the ignorant. It's about ambition, achievement, about a crusade for the truth. I don't get a sense of celebration of existence, of acceptance, of love. It's resistant to what is, it's the undermining of wisdom and intelligence. The truth is, people are revealed to what is deemed by the highest authority and intelligence to be right. People and society are shown what they are ready for. "But, I need everyone to experience this, I need you to experience this!" Everyone one will experience this in time, at their own pace, as is destined by the wisdom of God. Rushing it will lead to disharmony, not harmony. It will lead to suffering, not to joy and peace. If society was ready and mature enough for Truth, then society would see Truth. If you gave God to chimps, chimps would perish. That's all that would happen. There is a reason for evolution, and it's not merely to return to God. Everything returns, that is without question. The impatience, the desire to resist reality and attempt to bring to people the Truth and wake them up, that means a lack of alignment to Truth. And in this way God is perverted. God is not celebrated in joy and love, God is shoved down people's throats. God's creation is undermined, as if God was more important than Creation. Can you see that God would never say that he is more important than Creation? God is Love, complete Selflessness. Would he look upon Creation and point it's finger "You are pathetic, return to me at once, where Truth and Beauty and Goodness exists!". I have been always interested in the Nature of Existence and Reality, and Leo's content in many ways has smothered that curiousity. The combination of self-improvement and framing Truth like something that must be attained. That's not curiousity, that's not genuine interest. That's self-help bullshit. Those who are ready will find their way as long as you offer to them help when they ask for it. It's as simple as that, you don't need to convince anyone. If someone needs to be convinced, it means they are not ready. This must be accepted, there is no way around it. If it is not and you are burned at the stake, it is you who has failed to recognize the wisdom and authority of God, not them. I wonder if you can see this. If you get put to the cross and you complain about it, you are the one who is ignorant. You should have known that Creation is Perfection. If you could just hand God over to people like it was some sort of gift, then all Creatures on Earth would be Enlightened. But they are not, because if you gave them God, Creation would cease, it would fall apart. The foundation is not built yet, and your impatience will lead you to build a house on it when the ground is not yet prepared. That's foolishness, that's childishness. The way the people react to you and your teachings is 100% justified and proper, in fact it is the highest wisdom. When the immune system of society recognizes you and removes you, then it means you are the virus, the cancer. And of course, a virus is part of Creation, part of Perfection. But do not delude yourself, because if that happens, that's exactly what you are. You are a virus that thinks it knows better, that wants to selfishly replicate itself. And reality will deal with you accordingly. One day, when the organism of society is evolved enough, the virus might become part of the organism. But that is not the case today, if you cannot see this, you are just blind. If you are too selfish and impatient, and want to live the role of the self-important bringer of Truth, it just shows you have a lack of integration. If you did See, then you would be patient. You would know that there is no rush. Then you might recognize that the fact that psychedelics are illegal in most countries is because of the wisdom of God, and nothing else. That people like you have been burned at the stake for very good reason. In fact, for Divine Reason, for the prosperity and evolution of Creation itself. You, burned at the stake, for the Love of God.

The Nature of All Insights, inculding all Concepts and Ideas you have heard from Leo is the following: Insight is defined by the pathway, or difference, or contrast between Form and Nothingness. This means that what kind of Insights about Reality you will have will depend on what kind of Form you are. There is a difference between the Form and Nothingness. Once you dissolve the Form, it will seem like the opposite of it's Nature is Truth. For example: Form is duality. Duality is dissolved. The Truth is Non-duaity. Form is selfish. Selfishness is dissolved. The Truth is Selflessness. Form is fear. Fear is dissolved. The Truth is Love. Form is limitation. Limitation is dissolved. Truth is Infinity. Form is dream. Dream is dissolved. Truth is Awakening. Form is ignorance. Ignorance is dissolved. Truth is Intelligence. All of these concept can only be arrived at through the journey, the distance between Form into Source. Something cannot be Limitless without Limitation. Something cannot be non-dual without duality. Something cannot be selfless without selfishness. Something cannot be awake if there is no dream. Something cannot be intelligent if there is no ignorance. So insight is the moving towards the source. And that motion and it's nature will depend on the nature of the form. See, Existence is not merely one thing, one Absolute. It is Impossibility. It is what it deems to be. And this is why Leo is chasing his own tail, blindly stumbling through the light. All of his teachings, are exploring his Form and it's motions. This is why he is so certain he has reached the "Absolute Truth", when that very sensation of having reached an end, having reached the Absolute, is merely one more form, one more limitation he is putting upon himself. Once that Limitation is lifted, Impossibility will be recognized. And then, there is no longer any teaching of the Truth, there is only the exploration and transmutation of Existence. All of Human Spirituality is merely the Afterglow of the Dissolution of Humanity.