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For those of you falling for the hate of all muslims, remember that the Imam of Peace exists: https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace

The socialist-left's response to the terrorist attack in general.

What do you think of the socialist-lefts response to this?

They are evolving so rapidly that the Princes have to pretend they are all conservative lest the religious fanatics start a civil war.

Well it doesn't even make sense to compare one group to another in this way, because the amount of diversity in cultures and so forth is different. Of course Arabs aren't inherently brutal, although Islam is a factor even if people want to deny it. I just am suspicious of the claim that a fair historical analysis would lead us to conclude that the europeans were more brutal than arabs. I would wager the differences were negligable.

Okay if you are going to do such a naive historic analysis then I will dismiss it anyways. What Ghengis Khan did alone was orders of magnitude worse than any world war and any genocide. How do you think the persian empires were built? How do you think the Ottoman empire was built? How do you think egypt was built? Do you think it was rainbows and butterflies? Islam, the religion of warriors, you seriously believe that they were any better than the europeans? The colonialism is a different question, although you should look at the arab slave trade if you want to know how brutal the arabs were in regards to the africans. It is correct that the Europeans had more capacity due to certain historic developments, but that's not because they were more brutal, but because they were more advanced. But you are missing that in the context of these rather recent historic developments, if the arab world had gone through these developments first, the brutality would have been at least as bad, if not far worse, than that of the europeans. And mentioning the holocaust and the world wars, you need to realize that these happened as a result of a falling away from stage blue and transitioning into orange. This did not occur in the middle east, and there is still potential for such things to occur, even though it is less likely due to how stablized the world is today. Either way, that is an incredibly simplistic analysis, and like I expected, it just shows how silly it is to make such generalizations.

You are lost if you listen to Hasan. The probability that Israel is going to get sanctioned is very low, if the US was in a similar situation as Israel, it would bomb palestine into non-existence. They might complain here and there, but the optics of sanctioning Israel now, alone, are a reason for them not to do it. In fact, if in place of Israel the US, Russia or China was involved, the palestinians would long have cease to exist. And if what happened today happened to any of those countries, they would without much moral qualm genocide the gaza strip completely.

I am highly suspicious of this statement. I would be surprised if you could actually do a genuine historic analysis that would allow you to conclude any continent was more brutal than any other. You can argue that during imperialistc times, when empires were at their heights, some places had more peace than others, but to make such a generalization seems out there to me. You have to also keep in mind that europe developed far later than arab countries, so you can't really compare them one to one in the time line. But even then I am suspicious of this statement. Where did you get this information from?

I truly believe this is signifantly worse than 9/11. It's a different order of magnitude in terms of the terror it caused. I mean, killing and beheading infants, that's just asking to be nuked into oblivion.

It seems like we have confirmation (by the BBC at the very least) that some of the infants slaughtered by HAMAS were beheaded. Now, I want you to put this into context. Imagine such an attack happened in the US, say after a hypothetical situation in which Mexico was treated akin to the gaza-people. If this had occured, even today, I suspect it would no longer matter who is in the wrong or who provoked who. The US would probably sent Mexico back to the stone age, with little regard to how many mexicans would have to die in the process. I would not at all be surprised if after such an attack hundreds of thousands of mexicans would be killed. The response would be completely asymmetrical and disproportionate. There would be no conceivable world in which there was any room for negotiation or peace at that point.

Yes, Israel feared this precise moment for a long time. Instead of confronting the issue (which as you point out is realistically leading to more death and war) they basically pushed it under the rug. See the comment I quoted above from an Israeli.

Holy shit the footage of muslim communities literally celebrating the killing of civilians. In New York, quote: "There was some sort of rave, desert party, where they were having a great time until the resistance came in electrified hang gliders and took at least several dozen hipsters..." - pause for appaulse and wooing from the crowd - "...but I'm sure they are doing very fine despite what the new york post says.". At least 260 people were killed and women were raped next to the corpses of their friends, and these people are literally cheering it on. And we are talking normal lefties here, not some radical islamic group. This is genuinely revealing.

Exactly, and this, to Israel, was worse than 9/11. So the likelihood that they will somehow realize the limitations of their ways in relationship to the palestinians is near zero. This will cause much more suffering.

I don't think most people in Israel are more developed than Shapiro.

This is what it looks like from the jewish perspective. Warning, includes very graphic footage.

It's surprising to me that so many people seem to be unaware that a lot of muslims hate jewish people. They are so much worse than russians in that regard.

They didn't kill over 200 palestinians within one incident. Of course that is tragic and a moral crime, but I am not sure if what happened you can describe as "overwhelmingly peaceful". 90 out of 254 did partake in hostilities, and the deaths in general were due to a lax open fire policy. While this is a moral atrocity, again, this does not even remotely justify HAMAS actions. While Israel was not being responsible whatsoever, they did not actively seek to kill as many palestinians as possible, which is what HAMAS did. And I do remember there was coverage on this in the west, there were whole controversies around this involving a t-shirt with a pregnant woman on it and so forth. Either way, if Israel attempted to do the same thing HAMAS did, which was to cause maximal casualties in the civilian population, the palestinian people would no longer exist. In the end, none of this will even matter, because the reality is HAMAS has just worsened things for everyone. This was not merely "lashing out", this was an ideologically driven terrorist attack that revelled in it's own violence towards the innocent. Israel will response in full force and the sympathy for palestinians will have been set back significantly.

Well, they screwed up their chance when they celebrated naked dead female civilians, executed entire families and proudly raped their hostages. This is not going to garner sympathy for the palestinians, especially when they participate in these actions. HAMAS goal by the way is not to garner sympathy from the West, but simply to mobilize their islamic allies to join their fight, who will actually celebrate the death of those civilians as a victory.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sktkysb11a We could yet see US involvement and an escalation into actual war.

This is who Israeli has to "negotiate peace" with:

Realistically, this is to the Israeli's worse than 9/11 was to the US population. And the US population was in a complete rage after that incident, willing to basically do anything to get revenge. The Palestinians are being indoctrinated by HAMAS and their frustration used to further their ideological goals, and of course the escalation will only further entrench them. There is a genuine genocidal sentiment among the palestinians. This is how outside actors use populations as pawns. They will use valid frustrations and radicalize them for their own goals.

Israel is seemingly getting attacked from the lebanese border as we speak. This might mean Hezbollah is now getting fully involved as well. Hezbollah is warning the US, that if it will intervene in the conflict, american positions will be considered valid targets of attack. "There will be no red line."

Oh man, complete twitteritis.