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There is no definition of worthness, there can only be worthness. The definition of worthiness is the definition of worthiness, not worthiness itself. You keep confusing two things for being the same. Absurdly delusional, yet it is how all of us view reality. Isn't that funny?

If you truly see worthness for what it is, you will see that it is literally fucking impossible. Reality is literally impossible, everything about it is literally impossible. It is utterly and completely absurd. It's so funny that it is not even funny anymore. For worth to exist it took literally the impossible. Worthness is Divine beyond all comprehension. Just look at it, there is no doubt. To create worthness it took something so powerful, it had to exceed all limitations of power. It took something so intelligent, it had to exceed all limitations of intelligence. It took something so magical, it had to exceed all limitations of magic. And not just worthness, but everything else too. Just looking at it might have you crumble in terror at the Might of that which is Creation. It might just scare you so much that there is nothing else to do but laugh. If worth did not exist we could not be talking about it.

There is precisely one thing that is worth, it is utterly obvious. The only thing that is valuable is value. The only thing that is worth it is worth. Just as much as the only thing to be red is redness, there can be no other thing that could possibly be red but redness. It would be absurd to claim otherwise. Look at how delusional you are. You and everyone else. You keep pointing your fingers at A and you keep saying that it is B. How could anything but value be valuable? How could anything but pain be painful? How could anything but joy be joyful? How could anything but beauty be beautiful? How could anything but anything be anything? You are utterly confused, if you were to be less confused, you would see the impossible. It is happening all the time, right in front of your eyes. No, even better, right within your eyeness.

He might understand thingness as the being of thoughtness itself. He might see: All things are thoughts, because things themselves are thoughts. That which is seen, that which is heard, that which is felt, that is no thing. It is no-thing. It is nothing. It is. It is everything but what we say it is. This is the madness of reality. Just look at it, it's absurd. It's literally impossible (outside the realm of thoughtness/thingness). Making sense of madness can only truly be done by the mad.

Could you explain what you think these groundless assumptions are? You had questions which to me indicated ignorance, if you were not ignorant you would not ask these question. It does not matter whether you deeply care about these issues or not, and again, you seem to be disconnected from these issues. You can care about an idea, yet not about the reality of the idea, which is why you could come up with silly questions such as: What I tried to convey to you is how to acquire a higher perspective. The fact that you have not experienced the truth is precisely why I tried to motivate you to do so. I have misjudged you, I did not expect you to react this emotionally to something that I thought could motivate and help you understand "higher perspective". For that I apologize. And yes, I know nothing. You still seek for someone to give you an answer to something that you can only find for yourself. All we can do is provoke your ego into action, which I seemingly failed at. Notice that you yet again seek an idea, an intellectual answer to something that could not possibly be intellectual. You commit the same ignorance I have described to you in the first post.

Do some reading on this site, best if you read the book: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ You won't be able to feel excited for anything if your brain is not operating properly. Depending on how much porn you are consuming, you brain might look very similar to that of a heroine addict. This should be your first priority, because if you can't let go of that you simply won't have motivation or interest to do anything. You are far from the only one who has this problem.

You might be disconnected from reality. You are thinking about why you should care about an idea without seeing the reality of it. Walk into a slaughterhouse, look at reality, you will very quickly understand why you should care. Walk among those who suffer to experience their suffering. Walk among nature to experience nature. Walk among misery, destruction and death, to experience misery, destruction and death. You are philosophizing about ideas, not truly about reality. If you did, the answer would be fairly obvious to you. You need to humble yourself and consider that there is something you do not see. "But why should I care about these things if I don't care about them?" How could you possibly know if you care about them if you yourself have never seen them? It's like someone saying they don't care about enlightenment. Saying that simply doesn't make sense, no one who is enlightened would say that, only someone who does not know what enlightenment is could ever utter such ignorance. If they were to experience it themselves, they would know without a doubt why to care about it. The true question is why you should not be an ostrich and the answer is because you will suffer for it. Ignorance is not tolerated. Imagine you were talking to someone who came from a war zone and you would ask them why you should care about war. They will know you are delusional, because you conflate your idea of war with what war truly is. You will find the answer if you enter the war zone. You need to grow wise and wisdom comes from experience not mere intellectualization. Where is your curiosity? Where is your desire to know and explore reality? Have you ever seen the environment? Have you ever seen the beauty of a rain-forest, the wide array of experiences that can be had. The life, the infinite intelligence it took to make these things appear out of nothing! You know nothing, Shaun. If you did you would laugh at the depth of your ignorance. "How could I have ever uttered such an absurdity?", you will say. There is so much to this realm it is absolutely magical. If you see the truth the world will look like a fable to you. It will be full of magic, indescribable beauty and fascination. You will feel more deeply for everything and everyone. You will look back at all the fables and the myths and see their truth. Your entire body with shake with ecstasy, there will be no words, but only tears. Each and every leaf, of every branch, of every tree, of every forest will be divine. The animals will be gods walking among your. The air your breath will be life itself. You will be utterly helpless but love it all, and you will know why to care about the environment.

Maybe it is what is meant to be. Remember the story of the Chinese farmer? There are already billions upon billions of causalities, what better way to humble us than to let us experience the full consequences of our actions? We have gotten away so many times with our arrogance, because we believed that mankind could eventually figure it out. How many times will this trick work until we fall on our nose? I feel like we have been given clear rules for this game, there is no mercy for those who are unwilling to adapt. Our capacity to destroy this world is already tremendous, maybe it is better if we fail now than to wait for these capacities to increase to the point of no return. What are we going to learn if we get away with it again? I feel like if mankind ever needed to learn a serious lesson, it was now.

Rationalists have been starting to trigger me more and more these past few months. It's like talking to a child that laughs at you for not believing in Santa Clause. The depth of their ignorance combined with this unbelievable arrogance is just mind-blowing. Their god is rationality, they cannot even consider the possibility that it might be limited or that it could possibly be transcended. I guess it's natural, though it sometimes it's hard to be patient when you know they cannot be convinced, as they believe to be equipped with the ultimate, infallible, unquestionable tool they call reason. I used to think Leo was a little unreasonable with his crusade against materialists, but at this point I wonder how he can stay so composed talking about them. For me it's getting so bad I even get triggered by my own thoughts sometimes. It's like these horror movies where the rationalists keep denying the paranormal even when it becomes completely irrational to do so. The worst is that we have to convince them without the ghosts! We can't show them anything, because as long as they keep their eyes closed they will never, ever be able to see. Why would they look at something that would undermine their god?

I mean look at it! What even is this? It's so WEIRD, everything is SO WEIRD! How are we just sitting here accepting everything as if it made any sense at all? It's completely absurd! It's so hilarious, everything about reality is so much more nonsensical than any conspiracy theory ever could be! Just look around you, what the hell is audio, or vision, or anything else, and how can it even exist? I mean just look at it, it's so insanely WEIRD. Everything is, everything is so weird. It's weird beyond all description. Holy shit it's comedic! How can we be so blind to this absurdity. It's fucking magical, I don't even know what to say. Nothing you could ever come up with is so absurd and ridiculous as everything that already exists. It makes no sense and we all just accept it, as if it was completely reasonable. It's like we are all seeing ghosts and are just ignoring them, but it's so much worse! Just stop for a moment and look at what is happening right now, what the fuck is this? It's not just weird or abnormal, it's literally impossible! It is completely preposterous, it's just ludicrous! Oh my god this is the most hilarious thing ever. How could I be so blind to this? It's literally FUCKING MAGIC! It is so utterly obvious, nothing could be more obvious. It's a cosmic joke, and I am taking it so seriously! Holy fucking shit is reality weird, all of it. It's actually mysterious, it LITERALLY IS MYSTERIOUS! I don't even know what to say, it's just so absurd and we don't even think about questioning it. Flat earth doesn't make sense? Literally nothing makes sense, it's all ABSURD! The fact that anything could possibly make sense is the most absurd thing ever! It's actually a joke, the fucking scariest joke I have ever seen in my life. I am a joke, I literally am a joke.

Understanding Duality - Part 3 was my drug, it just hit me while I watched it

It is so strange, and not just strange as in weird, but also strange as in unfamiliar. There is nothing behind any of this, it is literally is just there.

Enlightenment does not cure ignorance.

For a truth addict you do not really seem to be very interested in the truth.

Look at the world more closely and you will realize it is Divine Will for the slaughter of animals to be inevitably ended. I do not think most people here comprehend the radical compassion future generations will have for all life on this planet. We will all look like barbarians to them, and yet they will still have compassion for us, as they know that we knew no other way. In the future there will be no veganism as it will be part of the consciousness of our civilization. It will require no identification to act in accordance with the greater harmony of reality.

It's the same reason why we have legs, eyes, skin and so forth: Evolution. Those organisms who prioritized survival would procreate, those who not would perish and cease to exist. That's why the ego is so hard to dissolve, it evolved in a way to be stable because those organisms who had a weak ego would not bother as hard to keep surviving.

I agree, but I think that makes it even more important for functional and healthy people to teach these virtues. People have to get them somewhere, and if the only people teaching them are Jordan Petersons, then that will be where they will get their fix. Religion is being dismantled and we have not really bothered to replace these structures with more healthy ones. People used to listen to a preacher, now the listen to Alex Jones. I feel like Spiral Wizardry is more needed now than it ever has been. It seems like sometimes we evolve so far ahead that we don't realize how much most people are lagging behind. We forget the basic challenges they are facing, which we have long overcome. It's like burning the bridge with which we have crossed the river and then wonder about how all the other people are not on the same side of the river.

I think part of the issue is repression of stage blue and orange values. If people never learn to integrate blue and orange, they will be dysfunctional and they will naturally tend to seek out these ideas, they will be attracted by whatever they lack. Because green is repressing blue and orange to a significant degree, the only supply of blue and orange values (which we should not forget, are essential for a healthy and fully developed human being) will be provided by the dysfunctional blue and orange, and rarely by stage yellow. People nowadays are not taught the valuable memes of the lower stages, like for example discipline, purpose and responsibility, by the higher stages who themselves should embody all of these aspects. Unless this is fixed, we will not be capable of transitioning into a healthy green society, there will be too much resistance and too much repression.

He looks so russian in that picture. To be honest though Leo doesn't look that fat in that picture, it's more like he was a little chubby.

Apart from ego dissolution there are basically all other aspects of mind that can be investigated. The ego is one aspect of mind, it is not the only one to explore, deconstruct or alter. In the future we might be able to simply deconstruct the ego with technology, within an instant. And we might even construct new things, things unimaginable to us. Mind seems to have no limitations, we really are just exploring an evolved structure, when in the future we will be able to create structures so unfamiliar that they will shift our paradigms in fundamental ways that no one today could possibly predict. I mean, look at how primitive we are. We sit years and years so that a few neurons are altered, or we take psychedelics that kind of alter certain brain activity. It's so inaccurate, and we are completely limited to the natural structure of our brain. We cannot really completely alter it in radical ways, create completely different structures that access completely different senses or dimensions of reality. Again, try to imagine how different an ant is experiencing than let's say a bat. Their realities are completely different, and they have been designed as tools to propagated their survival. Soon we might be able to construct whatever we want, a unicorn, a dragon, animals that would never came to evolve in a natural environment. The same will be true for consciousness, we will be capable of structuring consciousness so deliberately that we will be able to create realities that would have never come to exist in a natural environment. Exploring these different aspects and dimensions will in the future aid us in the construction of these new realities. The people of the future might laugh at our silly ideas of consciousness and reality, they might go so far beyond us that we will seem like one-celled organisms to them, completely unaware of the bigger picture.

What if one day there will be an enlightened master who will claim that all aspects of spiritual work are describing aspects of mind? What if they, despite having experienced all Leo has experienced and more, will claim that it is all just mind? Can there not be a perspective which simply assumes that the mind can be infinite, yet that it is not everything in existence? To me it seems like people have a misconception about how the brain and the mind function. We seem to view experience in the same way we view the physical word, as something that has boundaries, that is limited. For example, we cannot imagine there to exist infinite atoms in one single brain, and thus we assume there cannot be an infinite experience. Yet, experience might function more like a spectrum, a vector, in other words, it might not require any more brain cells to experience "1000% intensity of love" than let's say, "10% intensity of love". It might be that instead the experience, the aspect of reality that mind is "pulling" from, is rather limited upon than "generated" by the mind-structure. Thus, instead of needing more "power", more "energy" to create an experience of infinity, it might more be like it requires more cells, more structure to limit in more nuanced ways the dimension of existence which is accessed. So, for example a structure less complex would only be able to either not experience pain or experience infinite pain. A more complex structure would be able to get more steps inbetween, like dividing infinite intensity into 1/4s, or 1/8s, 1/10000000s etc. Might we not be victims to our cultural misconceptions of the capacity of mind? Again, if I assume that everything I experience is equal to the wave-function which makes up whatever brain-activity that is correlated to consciousness, then of course all aspects of experience will be revealed to have aspects of intelligence, of divine love, of oneness. Though these aspects will be rather the aspects of that particular wave-function, they will be very much real, very much as real as anything could be, but yet they would not be the whole, the entirety of the wave-function of this universe. To "access" the entirety of the wave-function, or the universal-wave-function, would require to go deeper, more fundamental, where we find no-thing, no-mind. The wave-function of the individual mind is indeed part of the whole, but it should not be confused with the whole. Leo might be discovering truths between the mind-wave-function and the universal-wave-function and be confusing these aspects as something inherent to the universal-wave-function. How could he possibly tell what aspects he is experiencing? It seems to me that Leo assumes that just because these aspects are grand, beyond regular imagination, beyond regular consciousness, that they are beyond mind, when all this could be is Leo's fundamental misconception of what the mind is and that it has access to infinities, yet that it is not Absolute Infinity. I am saying this because whenever I listen to Leo talk about these different facets, it just seems like he is describing the infinities of mind, instead of the infinity of Totality. I think we have to let go of the notions that Infinity, whether it is infinite color, infinite love, infinite meaningfulness, infinite space, infinite sense of self, whatever infinity it is, that it is something special. Instead we could start embrace the idea that infinities are simply regular functions of reality, that they are just as special as a limits. In fact, it might be that limitation is far more special than unlimitedness, because it requires structure that limit those infinities. Yet, when the regular mind is uncapped from it's limitations, it cannot fathom that these infinities are part of it, that in fact every single aspect of the mind is an infinity. It cannot comprehend, because comprehension requires limitations, and that is why we might fall into delusion, into false assumptions about the Totality of reality when we are merely experiencing infinite aspects of mind. It would also explain why some people have an experience of God before they die, it simply is the different aspects of their minds shutting down, and as they do so, the limitations are "uncapped", revealing the infinities for what they are. This would explain the difference in experience from person to person, and it would explain why, in the future, when we will be capable of changing certain structures of the brain at will, why they will reveal those aspects to us. The structures are there to limit, not to generate consciousness. Once we change our paradigm, so will the interpretations of our experiences. Maybe Leo is paradigm locked... In other words, Leo might be describing Soul, rather than Spirit.

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You could read some books. Leo made it easy for you and made a book list, saves you hundreds of hours of figuring out which books to read. Don't expect people to explain things to you, many here haven't read the books themselves and don't really know how to answer your question even if they think they do. I see there are a lot of misconceptions about very basic concepts, based on how you framed all of these questions. So, if you want to get a grasp of any of this, work yourself through some books. You have to first realize the depth of your ignorance before you start adopting any positions, and I can see that you have not yet recognized how many assumptions you just take for granted. It seems like you are suffering, you might want to first learn how to care for yourself before you start caring about others.

Deep in the night a Sparrow met a Mouse. "I told you, right up there, thousands of them, don't you see them?", said the Sparrow, pointing to the sky with one of his wings. "No, I don't see anything, only leafs and dirt!", the Mouse argued, looking around to find the so called 'stars'. The Sparrow was aghast, not able to comprehend how the Mouse could be so blind. "Not on the ground, up here! How can you not see them, they are everywhere!" "No, I don't see anything on the ground, only leafs and dirt!", the Mouse repeated, increasingly frustrated with the Sparrow's arrogance. "No, not on the ground! You have to look up here, the stars are in the sky!", the Sparrow chirped, fluttering his wings passionately for the Mouse to see. Once more the Mouse looked around. He looked in front and behind, to his left and to his right, even beneath his own four paws! Yet, he could not find a single one of the stars! "I am looking, there are no stars on the ground! I knew you were lying all along little Sparrow. Stars don't exist, stars could not possibly exist!" The Mouse crawled back into his burrow to go to sleep. Now all by himself, the sparrow would watch the night, the stars and the moon. Until the sun would rise he would sit on his perch, gazing far up, where the Mouse would never take a glance. Had this pop into my mind after I had a discussion with someone about how they were stuck in their paradigm, that they would not be able to see the limitations of their perspective if they would not make attempts to escape it. I tried to tell them that they had to stop thinking and instead focus on what their thoughts were pointing to in their experience, so they could see them for what they truly were. They couldn't do it, they still responded with the same thoughts I was trying to tell them to inspect. They didn't have the ability to question the seemingly self-evident, they were completely deaf to what I was trying to communicate. It was so weird, I felt just like the Sparrow.

Why does Buddha seem to have been passive while Christ seems to have been proactive? Buddha's actions seems to have been manifested more among the lines of leaving all living creatures alone and helping those who would come to ask him for help, while Christ seems to have been far more involved in trying to help and aid people, as an action rather than a reaction. Where does that difference in action originate from? Can we learn something important from Christ that we cannot learn from Buddha, and vice versa? Maybe there is a difference between fully dissolving the ego and structuring it in accordance/resonance to the divine?