Sevi

@No-Thing I would say it was gender neutral writing, but more often we ladies put a lot of subjectivity in things; so when we don't see that trace generally we assume that it is something masculine? and I appreciate your kind words, that was nice to write to you.

@No-Thing that's very interesting, because, what I see is you are identifying yourself with your opinions (about the thread), which are totally two different things. Yes somehow I was opposing some of the points you made, but not 'you'; actually I liked 'you' because of bringing such a nice topic to the table which even made me wanna be part of. 'She always needs to be right' is such a good catch though? one of my very down falls. And I really had approved your clear good intentions and because of that I joined your thread. If I thought otherwise, I would have just passed it by interpreting that your ego is just reacting back to some uncomfortable truth. I would find unnecessary to write anything about it. But that's good to know, because I could have mentioned that while writing, I just assumed that you had already known how I thought, because in my mind, I was already actively responding which for me means that I already acknowledged your manifestation as a good one. Hmm.. interesting. Thanks again.

@No-Thing yes, probably your title of the thread made me think that you were arguing about the points you made. But this was such a brilliant topic, we are all together in this forum because of Leo Gura's videos, and how we perceive and what we understand from them is a very valuable share; actually is the major reason of the forum to my opinion. Since what is offered in the videos are already very useful tools to self improvement, to share our point of views of them would be such enriching experience for all of us, I would like to do this more often. And compare and contrast is a very efficient way to clarify any concept, so to question every single aspect and hold an argument about it, is a very nice idea I think. Thanks

@No-Thing Although you bring an important topic to the table, I will disagree almost every argument you brought. On the way to enlightenment, Leo Gura's approach and methodology is one of the most eligible and accurate ones, if not the best and clearly this is a very pretentious claim. Why? Especially because of his efficient usage of epistemology and his accuracy about scepticism. These two major elements allow him to take his stand ideology-neutral, objective and equally distant from any of the proposals of the case. Also which creates not so-called but a real radical open-mindedness. He is a young researcher so that his personal experiences of enlightenment might be limited, but he is clearly skillful at the implementations of the aforementioned tools. Therefore that makes an important difference on this subject matter. 'Enlightenment' has become a very popular term and concept in our modern society; almost polluted by all the attributions and projections of the social groups and individuals. To the point that to define its content with accuracy is nearly impossible. But still we can talk about some facts about it. It contains deconstruction process of all of the conditionings. To lead such a process one must have stepped out from the social matrix as much as possible, and have qualifications to question every element of it which requires the tools mentioned above. In such a process, emotions can cause mislead, since they can easily be the byproducts of conditionings. That doesn't necessarily mean that the leader is going to disregard related sensations or emotions that are occurring or which are already existing but an unnecessary emphasis on them can be inhibiting to the growth. One of the other undeniable elements of enlightenment is purification. Although what it is could be a open topic to discussion, simply we can define it as a cleaning process. To purify, we need to understand what conceptualization is, then we need to examine every single element of it. And again it requires a neutral, curious mind. As a modern society we have a tendency to misunderstand and misuse of the concept of acceptance. The technology and the manipulative effects of marketing strategies naturally clouded the notion of what effort is and more so, what 'cause and effect' is so that we became indolent and inactive individuals. When we are confronted with the fact that to do the purification, or to be able to get rid of the conditionings, there has to be an effort input for it, we generally like to escape to the modernized definition of acceptance which in fact is a type of learned helplessness. Unfortunately "failing as a human being at the end of the life journey" is a very truthful claim which you will find out in couple of different ancient teachings if you search. Someone bold enough to remind that to us is an important asset for our modern age. And to bring these uncomfortable facts to our modern society's attention is not an easy task.

Yes, I knew? but wrote it anyways?

@Shin I DO. I don't play with people's hearts. If inadvertently, unconsciously I make a mistake on such a matter, the moment I realize it, I start to do my utmost best to mend the damage I caused. If I have something else than love in my mind about somebody, I let them know about what exactly is in my mind and I bear the results. Especially if I hate or really dislike someone I give their chances to them to know about it and to defend themselves. That's something very important for me. BUT, here, you can be loved and appreciated as much as this vehicle allows you; which is very limited. And also the way and the amount you open and share yourself is another thing. Also, by saying 'love' here what are we really referring to? In this case what are YOU really referring to? What I see is the fear of being tricked or played is much more accurate than the question of being loved. People can love you only to their capacity of that, but sometimes you just need to except their intend for it as it is. And if they are already in denial in life so then their way of playing tricks on people is not really about you, or your worthiness to be loved. You are worthy to be loved, but I think you have hard time believing in that, so that it turns into projection of that fear into your interactions. From an outside eye, you have already a loving heart, it is itself a good enough reason for the girls to love you (in their capacity) ? ?

@Dodoster I was writing to one other member, the other day, so the topic was similar so that I was just referring to it? that if you could be the same writer? that's all @Shin yeah.. thank god we have men on earth? we might be crazy but we are the ones who love you guys?

@Dodoster was there a inflamed nerve included in the situation??

@Shin @Shin @Sevi yeah okay.. I had wanted mention you in editing, but I couldn't manage it As you see in this post too I am quite bad at posting my goodness I'm laughing hard right now to myself oh I barely type....right now.. look this message is to myself too!!!! I just couldn't erase it oh... man.. Ahhhahahh...... So.. as apparent as it is.. I am so bad at this social media thing.. actually I'd never thought that one day I would write in a forum.. it's... weird.. So please, in case, once in a while, double check my posts that I might be trying to reach you I wanted to be a pro like you like all that editing, involving everything in one case and stuff... but I should have known place at the first sight but don't get me wrong, of course I'll keep trying Oh Jesus! Okay, thanks for adding some extra meditative moments to my day, and hopefully next time you'll join us too and stay french! Au revoir!

Shut up. You are not even capable of understanding the time I'm trying to help out here. Are gonna meditate or not? I need to get ready for my training You mean u gonna start in 5 mins? Ok, I can start to meditate with you in 5 mins, then I can meditate for 20 mins. I have my dance training. I'm gonna work on freaking mambo timing. Sava? Shin, I'm starting now, feel free to join me. You've been such a pain in the ass! Mon Dieu Okay... I'm done now. Actually this was nice? an unexpected extra 20 mins... thanks for that! I hope you joined? bye for now!

@Shin @Shin or do you wanna meditate for 20 minutes? I'll join you, if so...

What? No, no. Il a juste terminé maintenant. On feron la prochaine fois, d'accord? It was one hour ago hon.

@Shin oh. Hi Shin! I've just finished mine... we said once GMT 18:00 then (oh it's just started raining now?) then we kept it that way..

I'm in. Salutations from a chilly day from Connecticut, Windsor... ?

@Loreena would you like to join us today? Like 10-20 minutes? It would be so wonderful ❤

@HelloThere the creepiest is yet to come

Seriously?! wish ur battery didn't die today@Dodoster In his "a vision for the self actualized life" episode, he claims that he is not just in his underwear during that episode, so, we can discuss that too; Is he sitting or standing & Is he wearing his pants or is he just in his underwear? ... Good times @Dodoster I love you! Ahah! I just saw 'Leo is just a head' omg, this is funny.

AHAHAH!!! In some cases Sufis except the intend itself as the apparent expected matter form of the case, so we're good. Only if our wishes and intentions form around the desire of enlightenment we're good

@HelloThere Actually you are doing great. Doing the emotionally difficult thing doesn't mean that you rush and force yourself, especially when there is 'emotional connections with others' are on the scene. I see you with a calmer mind, aware about what's happening in and out, and there is a will to take action. So this is it actually, you grow in your own pace: you cannot make a two year old boy drink gallons of milk in one night and expect him to turn to 6 foot tall guy the next morning. With emotions, generally they let you know when they are ready.. it's like having a cat, you don't order them to do things. They do it on their own pace and way because of their appreciations to your genuine efforts.

@Shin those are universe's sweethearts? this is 'wanna be' section?

It's spring everyone

This one was interesting, I just sat quietly.. I had a lot of visitors ( thoughts) but I could reach inner silence couple of times... I was looking forward to this after my tough week. I started with a headache, although it is back now, when I said to myself that this is just an opposing energy within me and I wanted to join the ache it disappeared instantly; I was not expecting it to disappear though, that was fun I'm still on the porch, 'we' started noisy, (dogs, neighbors)now everyone has gotten quite, good. I think they felt me Today I couldn't feel you guys..I was selfish: just me and my thoughts.. but I hope you weren't and please still love me (and if you haven't been: shame on you. Start immediately) ok. Enough of the fun. Flowers are in bloom here, very beautiful... Love you all! ?

Okay 2 mins? love you everyone! Have a good one. Oh 1 min now

@Dragallur I didn't understand this, is there any other something you created rather than this thread? If so, how am I gonna join?

Who's in this weekend? I'm in GMT18:00 Saturday&Sunday ? @Dodoster are you still on the tree?