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The way OP worded his post his wife wants to be with another women, he's excluded. It's not a threesome he can agree to. If it's a threesome, then I misunderstood, Sorry my bad... He could have clarified that better.

loyalty ˈlɔɪəlti/ noun noun: loyalty the quality of being loyal. "his extreme loyalty to the Crown" a strong feeling of support or allegiance. plural noun: loyalties "rows with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties" synonyms:allegiance, faithfulness, fidelity, obedience, fealty, adherence, homage, devotion, bond; trueness, true-heartedness; steadfastness, fastness, staunchness, dependability, reliability, trustiness, trustworthiness, duty, constancy, dedication, commitment; firmness, stability, steadiness; patriotism; archaictroth. ------ You can be completely and utterly loyal to someone or something without any manipulation from the other. I'm sorry you only have witness loyalty as a manipulation, and see it as such.

I understand what you're saying but I'm not talking about loyalty used as manipulation. That's just bad people doing what they do best. Without loyalty all you have is liars, cheaters, and backstabbers. The opposite of loyalty is far worse. Loyalty is about playing fair, just think of a boardgame, when everyone plays they should be loyal to the rules for the sake of the game. Discipline is the most important tool in the world, the westerner life style people have the highest amount of divorce, and bouncing around, getting bored easily, etc. Completely ADHD No one can accomplish thier life purpose without immense loyalty to it, for example. Also if you made a choice to marry someone, said all those wedding vows, and had kids and then suddenly you want to leave because your "bored" or "need new experiences" that's a way more selfish act than being loyal.

@Popeye I want to add no one here can give you a better answer than your own contemplation to this problem, your going to get personal or generic responses, only you know yourself and your wife well, and your asking a matter of the heart question here not a math or logical problem. At the end of the day if everyone said it's fine don't worry about it but your heart didn't feel the same way you will suffer a broken heart on your wife having a sexual relationship with another. Some ppl are are better suited for open relationships and other's more to classical (personally I find greedy people are able to make up any excuse to be greedy, first world problems, ppl would be content with one sexual partner if bullets were flying over their heads, instead of having enormous amount of boredom to contemplate who their next sex is going to be with). You're going to have to decide for yourself and speak to her about it. There are consequences to no matter what you choose.

@Leo Gura Why don't your videos reflect your online forums personality more? You're very new age on here but your videos try very hard not to alienate anyone. And you seem to be very harsh and condescending to people as of yet especially towards science and logic, and towards orange. If your in a dream then donate all your money and jump off a cliff, it's all a dream anyway right who cares. Oh wait if the dream is the default mode then there's no difference between labelling something as reality or hallucination. You should just go all out new age now, so most of us can unsub, because you've outgrown us into new age and hippery. You'll keep the right audience for yourself. No need to convince the non believers who don't want to listen to all the junk. Every thing isn't true, everything is equally false.

Ah, yes and when I say the same thing and tell people not to listen to forums members for their go to advice, I get flamed. Mental cases is putting it mildly, just piss in thier soups a bit, disagree with thier advices and teachings to see their true colours.

Of course you found yourself a keeper, God forbid loyalty or classic marriage, whilst your at it why not go do some gay sex of your own, otherwise your not open minded enough. /faceplam

I noticed you can buy the mix pretty easily off ebay and brew it at home, it seems the leaves are legal to possess here. Due to the easy access, and reviews of the buyer I feel its an easy experiment to try. I've been researching it lately. What do you guys think of doing it at home? Do you think you can have a positive experience? I'm already very off put by the nausea and vomitting, its actually why I dislike all strong substances. Do you think it will be ok to get my g/f to sit me or would I freak her the fuck out? Do you think this home experiment is worth while or should I skip until I can try it at a retreat sometime in the future (which might never happen to be fair). Any tips and precautions. I've been meditating daily for 3 or so years between 20mins-1 hour and had a couple of samahdi experiences through regular mediation.

Affirmations are really complex things I did a research into them. Best to make your own ones following an indepth guide. The things about affirmations, they can backfire, make sure you use your intuition and feel if it feels right for you. For example if you listen to an affirmation which doesn't ring true to you or "sound" true in your subconscious you will be harming yourself more than helping yourself, you need to make sure the mind is not creating any resistance or mental note over the actual affirmation.

This. I'll add the more the silence and boredom burns (like you just want to give up) the more you sit through that the better, and more progress you''ll make. So if 1 hour becomes easy try 2 hours and so forth. (if your lifestyle allows)

No taste is objective! If you like this then you're broken But on a serious level, some things appeal to the general mass population more, like good quality movies, with good actors, fresh, creative, new ideas, well put together, will appeal to more, but you'd still get some people giving it 0's and saying "it's a pile of poo!" That's why you never see a very popular youtube video without a few hundred/thousands dislikes. its never 100% positive.

or some are just pointing out truths. But it's always hard to find the evidence / quotes / links exactly when you need it.

Lol I know that speech by heart in the original he says "break the rules, not the law but break the rules ..." This is clearly breaking the law. Brewing ayauhasca in my own kitchen is probably more like breaking the rules, even tho technical extracting dmt is still illegal.

Yup I totally agree, but unfortunately I can't get LSD off ebay Leo You reckon I should grow my own mushrooms instead? spores are legal to buy, would that be better? It's a major hassle though.

Or they'll just settle for the psychadelics trips. Who wants wants to do the hardest thing in the world anyway?

I actually dont want a big trip, and bad side effects but i also don't want it to do "nothing" lol so need to experiement and balance it out. It's important I don't have overly negative experience for everyone. @starsofclay @Arkandeus Thanks for input!

i heard 2 ounces is the normal dose so you're saying 0.5 ounces for a first try? and second 0.5 ounces if I vomit? @Recursoinominado @Arkandeus You guys are putting me off it to be fair lol. Whats a good dose for a chill trip? So I don't stress my girlfriend out. (Or maybe I should do it alone) Also Its recommended for 3 hours of simmer 3 times, if I simmer for 1 hour x3 instead would that be better? I'd prefer to have a quicker brew with a weaker strength. If i wait for retreat I might never do it, I don't see the point in spending so much money, and traveling to weird places to do illegal drugs, I'd rather just go a regular holiday to see family and friends instead if I'm going abroad. The convenience of it being easily accessible and cheap is why I want to experiment with it.

I was joking, but what if he was behind the market of 5-meo, ingenious.

Leo never used to mention Sadhguru its more recently (last year) he started mentioning him so wouldn't worry about it. Sadhguru is great, he's profound, and he's a troll teacher, I mentioned this a few times on the forums. You can copy and paste his own wisdom with him and he will blow you off even though you're just regurgitating his own information back to him. This is something most Asian zen like schools do though, whenever you think you got the answer they will blow you off. Because if you think you've got it, you haven't actually got it. Thinking is the mind, saying "I got it" puts "thinking" before "being", you just can't. Your mind can't grasp it. Some people hate on Sadhguru because *apparently* he killed his wife. I live by a innocent until proven guilty policy, if we sent everyone who we *think* did something bad to prison we will make hell on earth. Just so you know Leo is also getting weird and new agey, he's starting to believe every single thing as true, as opposed to not true, so if you've been watching Leo’s video recently at certain points he comes across very new agey. And Leo’s spiritual advice is pretty much constantly boiling down to "Plug 5-meo up the butt and get enlightened", wouldn't be surprised if Leo was a main supplier of 5-meo lol, this is what Walter white would do if he was cooking spiritual drugs

Another interesting thought is: Why are most cats (not all) ungrateful, don't like being petted, and like being left alone to do their thing. Whilst most dogs (not all) need companionship, very loving and loyal, love being petted, and always want to be next to the owner. Its evident these creatures didn't choose, but were built that way with lots of variation inbetween. Whether a human has the ability to "think", "contemplate" or "change" that, is also dependent on the nature of the body and mind that they were born with.

@MrDmitriiV Sounds pretty similar to Wim hoff breathing or shamanic breathing both which I stopped as I feel can get to same place with regular meditation and I really don't like the side effects of these breathing techniques (nausea, dizziness, headace, etc) which precisely why I dont like drinks/drugs. @Dogsbestfriend I agree with you. Have you gone deeper and had a full samahdi experience yet? There is no breath or energy or body. Just completely being in utterly emptiness, a single thought of even "This is it" would break it. I'm still trying to master getting into this place, i notice some regularities. Intense energy and focus during meditation (can't be tired or sleepy) Blindfolded and earplugged, trying to removing every sense/experience possible. Intense self-enquiry, doubting all things, all body senses, and the mind. Intense enquiry to existence (many will disagree with me on this one) but enquiry into the nature of existence, and non-existence, similar to being a robot who's enquiring how could he could possible be "experienceing existence" when all he is material and software. State of facing existential fear and commiting suicide (ego death) Being. unfathomable power, like a blackhole, neither something or nothing. During this peroid I could die and stay here forever, theres no ego to argue against it. I dont see it as "love" or "happiness" its just like default mode but also very powerful, it's god (for lack of poor words to describe it). Then obviously you come back from it and the ego comes back, but the more consciousness work we do, the more that emptiness is apparent in the "now" the foundation of all things.

Dalai Lama - psychedelics tried= No. Recommends= No. "we already have a lot of illusory experiences, so why do we need additional illusory experiences. Serious practice must not rely on EXTERNAL methods, try to cultivate nature quality of the mind." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnQr2AqVpIU Eckhart Tolle - psychedelics tried = Yes (LSD/ACID & WEED). Recommends = No. He says its maple syrup for the mind. (can't find the clip about acid use video he had with Oprah right now). Sadhguru - Tried = ? Recommends = No. Says it's chemical chaos for the body. Alan Watts - Tried = ? (Lsd) Recommends = No "it should be used like medicine, not a diet. I would not be put out if LSD vanished from the world tomorrow, you dont take this every so often, its something you take a few times with diminishing until you had it. But other people seem to keep taking it and bigger and bigger as if they were looking to find something (lol reminds me of Leo). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuiKl6huOw Deepak Chopra - psychedlics tried = Yes (lsd) Recommends = No. Does not recommend any recreational drugs, damage the body. Recommends not to use any drugs alone, but if you really want to try it use it under the supervision of a shaman or a tribe and do an authentic ritual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C23pzvs2ERI Mooji - Tried = ? Recommends = No? He's not against if you want to use it as medicine or to overcome difficulty in life but does not recommend it, "anything external is not permanent". He recommends better practices. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL6YyRBJV2o J. Krishnamurti Tried = No, Recommends = No. The Only Revolution Europe Part 13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEcog25MFlk Osho Tried = ? (documentary points out he was under drugs) Recommends = No. "shortcut to false Samahdi." & "The goal of a seeker is Truth. The drugs and plants can give glimpses, but they can not give Truth. If they did, the mind would not come back. The mind would be blown away, never to return. With Ayahuasca and all psychedelics, the mind always comes back. Osho pointed this out, and then pointed out that not only does the mind come back, it comes back stronger than before because it has been able to navigate from a profound experience. It will be that much harder to shed the mind and it will be even more clever than before. This is where I see the trap for many. Glimpsing the Divine is so beautiful, so profound, beyond words. It is easy to call a ceremony sacred, and it is easy to believe that you have stumbled upon a shortcut to the Truth. That's a load of not recommended. Can you add to this list? Should be someone that falls into a similar league as the above people, not just some westerner individual who's having a good time with the drugs.

More on Jiddu-Krishnamurti: "Why should one not take drugs? You apparently seem to be against it. Your own prominent friends have taken them, have written books about them, encouraged others to take them, and they have experienced with great intensity the beauty of a simple flower. We, too, have taken them and we would like to know why you seem to be opposed to these chemical experiences. After all, our whole physical organism is a biochemical process, and adding to it an extra chemical may give us an experience which may be an approximation to the real. You yourself have not taken drugs, have you? So how can you, without experimenting condemn them?" No, we have not taken drugs. Must one get drunk to know what sobriety is? Must one make oneself ill to find out what health is? As there are several things involved in taking drugs, let us go into the whole question with care. What is the necessity of taking drugs at all - drugs that promise a psychedelic expansion of the mind, great visions and intensity? Apparently one takes them because one's own perceptions are dull. Clarity is dimmed and one's life is rather shallow, mediocre and meaningless; one takes them to go beyond this mediocrity. The intellectuals have made of the drugs a new way of life. One sees throughout the world the discord, the neurotic compulsions, the conflicts, the aching misery of life. One is aware of the aggressiveness of man, his brutality, his utter selfishness, which no religion, no law, no social morality has been able to tame. There is so much anarchy in man - and such scientific capacities. This imbalance brings about havoc in the world. The unbridgable gap between advanced technology and the cruelty of man is producing great chaos and misery. This is obvious. So the intellectual, who has played with various theories - Vedanta, Zen, Communist ideals, and so on - having found no way out of man's predicament, is now turning to the golden drug that will bring about dynamic sanity and harmony. The discovery of this golden drug - the complete answer to everything - is expected of the scientist and probably he will produce it. And the authors and the intellectuals will advocate it to stop all wars, as yesterday they advocated Communism or Fascism. But the mind, with its extraordinary capacities for scientific discoveries and their implementation, is still petty, narrow and bigoted, and will surely continue, will it not, in its pettiness? You may have a tremendous and explosive experience through one of these drugs, but will the deep-rooted aggression, bestiality and sorrow of man disappear? If these drugs can solve the intricate and complex problems of relationship, then there is nothing more to be said, for then relationship, the demand for truth, the ending of sorrow, are all a very superficial affair to be resolved by taking a pinch of the new golden drug. Surely this is a false approach, isn't it? It is said that these drugs give an experience approximating to reality therefore they give hope and encouragement. But the shadow is not the real; the symbol is never the fact. As is observed throughout the world, the symbol is worshipped and not the truth. So isn't it a phoney assertion to say that the result of these drugs is near the truth? No dynamic golden pill is ever going to solve our human problems. They can be solved only by bringing about a radical revolution in the mind and the heart of man. This demands hard, constant work, seeing and listening, and thus being highly sensitive. The highest form of sensitivity is the highest intelligence, and no drug ever invented by man will give this intelligence. Without this intelligence there is no love; and love is relationship. Without this love there is no dynamic balance in man. This love cannot be given - by the priests or their gods, by the philosophers, or by the golden drug. ---------------------------- Interesting point: Must one do Meth and Heroine and become an addict and go through recovery to learn from direct experience before one can conclude and avoid meth and heroine? Would one need to smoke cigarettes and get lung cancer in direct experience before one could conclude and avoid through intellect and learning alone? (When cigarettes were new people argued about them not being addictive and harmful, one would argue it helps them relax, free from stress and problems, and its somewhat meditative, it was only after science pounded it for years that we have generally accepted that smoking is terrible, even without years of direct experience required). So there is a lot of hypocrisy here from the psychadelic users, I bet they don't go through everything and try everything in direct experience. So here's the winning idea: Why need anything at all? Isn't the enligthenment the end of all seeking and suffering? and if so shouldn't one be practicing abstaining from everything in meditation sessions rather than more doing more, adding more chemicals to the body, and changing brain chemistry through force, boosting the illusory senses and bringing about more mystical experiences?

Jiddu-Krishnamurti: Questioner: What can we do to prevent others from taking drugs? Krishnamurti: Do you take drugs? Questioner: No, but I drink coffee and alcohol. Isn't that the same? Krishnamurti: We drink coffee, we take alcohol, we smoke, and some take drugs. Why do you take them? Coffee and tea are stimulants, aren't they? I don't take them myself, but I know about them. Physiologically you may need some form of stimulant; some people do. Are alcohol and tobacco the same as taking drugs? Go on, answer it. Questioner: Yes. Krishnamurti: You say taking alcohol is the same as taking drugs. (General disagreement.) Krishnamurti: Don't take sides, please. One says, "No", somebody else says "Yes". Then where are we? I am simply asking why you take any of these things at all. Do you need a stimulant, do you need something to pep you up, to encourage you? Please answer this question. Do you need constant stimulation and entertainment, must you have tea, tobacco, drugs and all the rest of it? Why do you need them? Questioner: To escape. Krishnamurti: To escape, to take the easy way out. You drink a glass of wine and you are happy, it is done quickly! Questioner: Yes. Krishnamurti: So you need stimulants in various forms. Are you being stimulated now by the speaker? Questioner: Yes. (Laughter). Krishnamurti: Please pay a little attention. You say "No" and this gentleman says "Yes". Please investigate. Are you being stimulated at this moment? If you are, then the speaker is just as good as a drug. Then you depend on the speaker as you are dependent on tea, coffee, alcohol or drugs, whatever it is. I am asking why you depend, not whether it is right or wrong, whether you should or should not. Why do you depend on any of these stimulants? Questioner: We can see what action it has on us, but we don't need to be dependent on it. Krishnamurti: But you are dependent! When the effect wears off you need more stimulants, which means you are dependent. I may take LSD one morning and get a kick out of it, and when it lets me down I need some more; the day after tomorrow I am dependent on it. Now I am asking why the human mind depends - why does it depend on sex, on drugs, on alcohol, on any form of outward stimulation? This is psychological, isn't it? There is a physiological need for tea and coffee because we eat wrongly, we live wrongly, because we overindulge and so on. But why do we want to be stimulated psychologically? Is it because we are so poor in ourselves? Is it because we have not the brain, not the capacity to be something entirely different, that we depend on stimulants? Questioner: Doesn't alcohol destroy the brain as well as drugs? Krishnamurti: Alcohol may do it gradually, it may take a number of years, but drugs are very dangerous because they affect future generations, your children. So if you say, "I don't care what happens to my grandson, I am going to take drugs", then that is the end of the argument. But I am asking: what happens to your mind when you depend on anything, whatever it is, whether it's tea, coffee, sex, drugs or nationalism? Questioner: I lose my freedom. Krishnamurti: You say these things, but you don't live it, do you? When you depend on anything it destroys freedom, doesn't it? It makes you a slave - to alcohol, for instance: you must have your drink, your dry Martini or whatever it is. So gradually your mind becomes dull through dependency. It was established a long time ago in India, that any man who is really religious will never touch any of these things. But you don't care; you say, "I need stimulation". I once met a man who took LSD and he said that when he went to a museum after taking it, he could see all the colours more brightly, everything stood out more vividly, more sharply, there was great beauty. He may see the lovely light of a sunset more brilliantly, but his mind is gradually being destroyed and after a year or two he becomes just a useless entity. If you think it is worth it, that's up to you. But if you don't, then have nothing whatever to do with it.

Interesting read from an LSD user: http://www.mountainrunnerdoc.com/haveyoueverbeen.html some interesting snippets: In the case of psychedelics, such as LSD, other considerations apply. While we still will argue that they do not “expand" the mind or consciousness (which is not an experience, but that which is aware of experience), they have affects that may seem to do so, in the sense that they can temporarily reduce ones identification with certain limited assumptions, such as body-identification, and may also give a flash, a glimpse that the world is an idea, which is a step towards the advaitic realization that all is Mind. The problem is that they may also definitely NOT “purify Buddhi,” or the ability to discern truth from falsehood, especially when their immediate effects wear off. The ability to concentrate effectively may be lessened - it is unlikely that they can increase ones ability to deeply concentrate, as in reaching samadhi or penetrating the third eye and going to higher planes voluntarily - and the ability to make feeling connections may also be either enhanced or decreased, depending on many unpredictable personal, individual factors, including the biological condition of ones brain. Hence there are risks involved. -- Dr. John Mumford warns the Western student of attempting to mimic the drug use of the qualified Tantric practitioner: "Indiscriminate use of conscious-expanding drugs without prior mental training and the absolute physical discipline imparted by years of Hatha and Raja Kriya is equivalent to dynamiting open the door to a treasure vault (the unconscious mind) and discovering the blast has destroyed half the treasure plus irreparably damaging the door so that it cannot easily be shut at will. The karmic basis of life is that a price is exacted for everything, including illumination. The Yogi or Tantrist pays his karma through his years of practice and discipline well before ever opening the mind with a psychedelic drug.....Most Westerners dropping "acid" or other such substances risk paying a karmic debt after the experience with depression, inability to cope, de-realization, depersonalization, psychological malaise, and in some cases precipitation of latent schizophrenia or recurrent psychotic episodes." (5) -- Sant Kirpal Singh remarked that the use of such drugs was "a mockery of the divine grace". Sant Rajinder Singh affirms the view that drugs lower one’s consciousness. Most importantly, truth or realization is not just an acquirable experience, but "a turnabout in the deep seat of understanding AND the incomparable transformation-death of the Bodhisattva's individualized will control" (6), and this must be paid for with the sacrifice and submission of one's whole being, whether or not one ingests a particular herb or other substance on any occasion. Roshi Philip Kapleau remarked: "the spiritual heights can no more be scaled by smoking pot and dropping acid than a mountain can be climbed by looking at a map of it while reclining in an easy chair drinking beer. It is the climbing that brings joy and strength - joy in the release from the bondage of self and mountain, top and bottom; strength to LIVE in this realization." (7) -- Many a soul has doubted his own existence while on LSD! Perhaps a few have had intimations of the ineffable as well. This writer remembers a decidedly unphilosophically inclined friend of his at Cornell who sat for hours on acid repeating, "It's all the same, IT'S all the same, it's ALL the same, it's all the SAME, it's all the same, IT'S ALL THE SAME!......" But the next morning it wasn't, nor was he. (Reminds me of Leo lol, Isn't this exactly what Leo was saying over and over in one of his videos?) In The Web of Life John Davidson makes the following statement regarding the effects of various mind-altering drugs: "In general terms, brain drugs such as LSD and L-dopa can move the center of attention into the more subtle physical realms by biochemically ligaturing part of the physical brain pathways, thereby forcing attention to focus on the more inward subtle constitution." (18) This, no doubt, sometimes occurs, but even so it still would not amount to anything of lasting spiritual significance, for the reason that it is only more experience (in this case of the inner aspects of the brain), and not the transcendence of experience itself. Moreover, we have the strong warning from primal therapist Arthur Janov that such drugs as LSD can do serious damage to the gating (pain defense) mechanisms of the nervous system, even permanently altering the pathways between the reptilian, limbic and cortical areas of the brain. This can lead to extreme difficulty in accessing feelings and thus opening the heart. There is also the danger of psychosis in those whose “gates” are already too open. -- Marilyn Ferguson stated years ago: "It is impossible to overestimate the importance of psychedelics as an entry point drawing people into other transformational technology." (19) -- We conclude this discussion simply by agreeing that there is in fact a spiritual way, but there is likely no pharmaceutical - or even yogic - "shortcut". -- Ramana Maharshi: spoke about the use of drugs by those practising yoga: "I do admit that drugs have some beneficial effect. A certain drug can make the whole body melt and flow like a milky ocean. One man told me that when he was given chloroform before an operation he experienced a nectarous bliss and longed for that state again. The Chinese look like skeletons, but when they take opium, they feel like giants and do any amount of difficult work. These drugs, however, must be taken in limited amounts and secretly. Otherwise all will demand them. Moreover, after some time, the drug habit will become a great fetter and obstacle to jnana. Its addicts will not flinch from any crime to satisfy their cravings. So, it is best to remain desireless. Having seen the effects of all these drugs, I have decided that to be as we are is best. To strive for knowing one's real nature through self-enquiry, though it is a little difficult, is the only safe path." (10) Paul Brunton (who spent time with ramana Marashi and brough his teachings to the west): “Young persons are easily deceived by the sham uplift which drugs may confer. It is an astral plane experience, not a Buddhic plane one, as it seems to be.” (13) “What the drug taker gets is imagined reality, not real reality. Consciousness assumes the experience of knowing Truth, gives him the most vivid idea that this is IT. The end-effect is not to bring him nearer to the goal, as he wrongly believes, but farther from it. Such are the tricks that mind can play on self.” (14) “The drug experience, however exalted it is, never really gets beyond being an astral plane copy, a pseudo-contact with a pseudo-god. It is illegitimate for modern man to break Nature’s safety barrier in this way. He may pay a penalty withhealth, sanity, or self-deception.” (15) “The glimpse brings him to himself, but no drug can do that. The drug brings him before a vivid mental picture which he lives; it is still only a picture - sometimes horrible like a nightmare, sometimes sublime like a mystical ecstasy. But never in these experiences does he enter his true self. Always he is looking at and living with a picture.” (16) Sri Nisargadatta speaks from a larger [perspective when he says: M: ...."No doubt, a drug that can affect your brain can also affect your mind, and give you all the strange experiences promised. But what are all the drugs compared to the drug that gave you this most unusual experience of being born and living in sorrow and fear, in search of happiness, which does not come, or does not last. You should enquire into the nature of this drug and find an antidote...Birth, life, death - they are one. Find out what has caused them. Before you were born, you were already drugged. What kind of drug was it? You may cure yourself of all diseases, but if you are still under the influence of the primordial drug, of what use are the superficial cures? OPRAH WINFREY (HOST):Sounds like a drug trip. ECKHART TOLLE: Well, later on, people tell me, they ask me, "Is that like acid?" Because some people take acid and they say, "Oh, we experienced that when we took acid," they told me many times. Until finally, I'll tell you in confidence, finally I tried acid just for once. OPRAH WINFREY: You're telling me in confidence here? ECKHART TOLLE: Yes. OPRAH WINFREY: Okay, good. ECKHART TOLLE: I tried it just once just to see… OPRAH WINFREY: If it was the same thing? ECKHART TOLLE: Yes. OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah? ECKHART TOLLE: It's not quite the same thing because what I experienced was much more subtle and beautiful. The acid I experienced has almost a violent thing where violently the perceptions, sense perceptions become so magnified that there was no room for thinking anymore. But I could see why people say, for some people it's a glimpse of what it means to perceive the world without this continuous interference of mental noise. OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah, but your trip without acid was better. ECKHART TOLLE: Much better. Papaji: (not a drug related but interesting quote) Q: "Do you foresee a time in the not too distant future when there will be many people on earth who are Enlightened?" A: "There is no future, there are no people, there is no earth, there is no one seeking Enlightenment, and no one gaining it. This is the final and only Truth."