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@Jed Vassallo Those videos are the more recent videos, Leo has talked about enlightenment so much that he's going into more and more concepts and ideas, and ultimately it's mental masturbating and it can seem to have a negative outlook on enlightenment. Try watching more of original, first spiritual videos, where he talks about the benefits. Simply put spiritual work is inner engineering as opposed to outer engineering. You become your own therapist to know thyself. A person who only does external things for example, might make lots of money, but they may also have a lot of dysfunction in their lives, such as divorced marriages, anger issues, impatience, Narcissism, violence, frustration, emotions, excessive drinking, smoking, drug use behavior, etc. etc. The more you know yourself, the more you can change yourself and organise yourself to be in the best way that's right for you. These days society is so focused on external improvement they have forgotten that inner work is even possible. These dysfunctional people are so far gone they are even completely blind to the benefits of inner work that they wouldn't even consider it. The more spiritual work you do, the more you deconstruct yourself and the more likely you will see truth or get spiritual enlightenment. This does not mean however that you and all your memories will vanish and you that you will no longer exist, it's just now you will see and know more than you previously had, you will see through the ego and not identify with it as much. Enlightenment is not the same thing as the physical death of the body, obviously. Also, maybe spirituality isn't for you, your mind will conclude this for you, there are some people no matter what you say to them, just won't be interested in it, and that's were no free will comes in. When you look into the future you can't see things written but when you look at the past you realise it was always bound to happen because it did happen, at least in this one reality of infinite possibilities. As Steve Job said, you can only connect the dots looking backwards. I would recommend not to do Spirituality for "Enlightmentment" but for self improvement instead, and self management, each session will improve yourself just a tiny little bit, just like each session at the gym will grow your muscles a tiny bit. The more effective your methods and the more consistent work put in, the bigger your gains will be.

Just keep going and get back into rythm. The effects last 20-30 minutes for me. With meditation it can take a while to get into a no-mind state, with this it's pretty much instant.

I like the risk... If you ain't prepared to die, you aint prepared for enlightenment . Death by breathing too much Hehehe, seems like balance is everything. On a side note I did have a headace pretty much all day after my session, I will see if it improves as I try it a few more times, if I keep getting headaces thats a sign of my brain telling me it ain't right for me, hopefully it will get better.

That's quite a petty problem you have there, that you had to post about it. To be fair talking about the effects is pretty similar to when people talk about the effects that drugs had on them. Consider "tripping" to be the short cut to "whilst using the shamanic breathing technique" for this thread.

I think the start is the hardest, once you get rhythm going and leave it on autopilot (but still focused, not to fall asleep) it becomes easy, I was suprised how fast 45 minutes went. Also it might depend on how good you're at sitting and doing nothing, I've been meditating for over 2 years doing 20-60 minutes for most of my days, so i can enter flow or no mindedness quite easily, when i first started meditating it was literally 20 minutes of mental ranting, it was after a year of purging all those it got better.

Firstly, thanks @Leo Gura for bringing this technique into my awareness, I’ve done Wim Hoff breathing techniques in the past which made me high but I didn’t know much about these long duration shamanic breathing techniques. My trip report: Tried it now for 45 minutes. I entered a state of flow, so time flew by fast. Tip 1: keep focusing on the breathing technique, if you don’t you will probably slow down your breathing and your trip will start to calm down or stabilize. Effects I felt: Lost sense of some limbs (similar to dead arm) Tingling Fingers curling up without my consent Time slowed down, felt like bullet time in the matrix Shutdown of logical mind and thinking Pressure and tingling in head Entered blissfulness / no mind / non-existent state As always even in my meditations I entered nothingness, I can’t describe it because at that point there is no ego, or no questions, just being, this is what I am fundamentally before body and perceptions take place. I feel like the people who see things or get “insights” is actually just using bits of the mind and ego to come up with stuff because they are seeking insight. I never get anything because I’m not even sure what I’m seeking besides nothingness. After 45 minutes I stopped and timed myself. I spent about 35 minutes before I neutralized, 15 minute in deep meditation (no mindedness) and 20 minutes’ nap lol. Tip 2: After you’re done maybe sit upright so you don’t fall asleep whilst tripping. Negative Side effects: Nausea (Leo didn’t mention this; but I recommend leaving a big gap after a meal) Dizziness and head pressure. Headaches Shivering (might be the room tempature, my hands and feet were cold) Drowsiness Lost of ability to control the body naturally Lingering side effects up to an hour after finishing: Headache Nausea Tip 3: Tribal drumming music can be cool n all that but I recommend something else, listening to drumming for 45+ minutes contributed to my headache even though it wasn’t loud. My question to @Leo Gura and experienced breathers: Is this technique dangerous? Can you actually kill yourself using this technique as a normal healthy individual? Or would you faint/fall unconscious before anything dangerous can happen? My ego kept reminding me how I want to be alive after this and not disappear forever.

It's always good for someone to have a high tolerance to BS before banning someone or silencing them. I think Leo moderates well. What did MarkusSweden say, Was it really bad? I only saw the tame stuff.

Seems like you value authenticity as the whole piece when it's such a minor piece. My strongest strength In strength tests is actually authenticity. Be careful with using authenticity to justify your ego's opinions and beliefs systems. As leo said in one of his recent videos there is reality and then their is your ego's opinion on reality which is actually irrelevant. Reality is never wrong because it simple is. Because it happened but your opinions and beliefs are almost always wrong, because they are imagery states of how things should be or should have happened.

Not sure why we needed a thread about it on top of his original thread. On average there is supposed to be 120 deaths by suicide per day on US alone. Then there is all the other kinds of brutal and unfair deaths. The importance of this person is only because you had some attention diverted towards him on this forum. The ego constructed a story/scenario and now the ego is fighting/debating about it about how sad it is and how reality should be all rainbows and sunshine. It's all in the mind. If he wanted to die and went through with it he manifested what his mind wanted at that moment. There's no point labelling it as good or bad. you feeling bad about it isn't going to change anything for him but it will make you unnecessarily feel worse. No one here is responsible for anything, and shouldn't feel guilt. Yes we all suffer when a loved one dies but it is all in the mind, the logical thinking and memory's and inability to accept change and let go of a person who was always bound to an ending. None of Leo's teachings points to physical death, only ego death or spiritual enlightenment, but one who seeks suicide will find what he ultimately seeks.

Schedule your days and make a routine that works for your life style. If you have work, studies, commitments make sure you do those before spiritual work, enlightenment or not, you don't want to be sleeping on the streets... hungry. Do not take more than you can comfortably do. Build it up slowly. If you have hectic days allow yourself off with a sustaining 5 min meditation. Try not to burn yourself out.

Effort and difficulty is a mind game, it is only what your mind perceives and concludes if something is difficult or a hassle. For example one person can play a video game for 12 hours straight and call it fun while another will get utterly bored and find it a chore after 5 minutes. This applies to other things beyond video games obviously. I would recommend you stop seeking alternative high states that are like drug induced states, and find the miracle in the current moment. Yesterday while I was walking in a touristic crowded place I entered a blissful state where Infinity was staring back at Infinity, all was one. Its hard to explain the experience with mere words. I normally dislike crowded places but I noticed you can find blissfulness anywhere. I'm guessing one could even find it whilst in extreme suffering. Psychedelics might be a good tool or aid but it's an external tool, one which you might not have access to, you might be in situations where drugs is just a no go. So you need to learn how to do it without any aids. You could be like iron man or batman who is powerless without their tools. Or You can be like Dr strange who gets all his powers from within after years of mundane and boring studies, and who uses tools and trinkets sparingly when required. I think his best ability was the ability to learn all kinds of things. From science to mystical things. Sorry for the lol analogy.

@TruthSeeker47 Be mindful, catch yourself in negative thought patterns, switch to more conscious patterns question why you feel a certain way, and if you can let go, and if all this matters upon Death etc. You should also do strict meditation though different benefits, like focus on breath or mindfulness labeling. The do nothing meditation is like a meditation that allows the mind to wander in any direction but again you got to be spiritually mindful a regular person can come out of contemplation feeling more angry or upset due to mental thinking.

That's not completely true, letting your mind wander and contemplation is actually good however you need to do it with wisdom of a spiritual mind. A normal mind contemplating: recalls old memories, gets angry, frustrated, thinks about how they could have done things differently, how they were treated wrongly or got a bad deal, how life is unfair and owes you something, unforgiving, regretful, resentful, etc - this is weak ass thinking that will drive you into lower consciousness. Spiritual contemplation is more like: making peace with the past, letting go, coming to terms, accepting reality, seeing through the illusions, seeing big picture, seeing things in alternative ways, filtering out the shit in your system so you're mind is more relaxed and chilled etc.

Yes and no. As long as you play in the game of illusions and can use the recollection of memory and results to make connections and logical sense the past does actually exist. Now contemplate your death, imagine your about to die right now. There will no longer be a working body and mind, no you for self reflection. If there is no you in the future who can self reflect then how could you ever have existed in the first place? How can you be here right in the moment when ultimately there is no you in the future? Only the mind can think, make logical sense, use time of past, present, and future, but you're not the mind. To say you're the mind is no different to say you are sight, or sound. Just another sense.

I would give up thinking of reincarnation in conceptual terms because it is not something the body and mind can use. You've already reincarnated an infinite amount what recollection do you currently have of it? Probably none if you're being purely honest. You're already an alien on a planet in infinite space, if you're thinking about other aliens you've just grown bored of your current experience. There is nothing you can hold on to, absolutely nothing, everything you do in this body is temporary and nothing will be kept permanently, your true self is the nothingness or whatever else you want to call it. And the death of this body will not only mean you lose the body and experience but the entire reality, literally meaning any history till this date is lost in an infinite amount of possibilities, even people like the Jesus or Buddha are only relevant within this experience.

@Dodo Express is garbage...

The day a guru's farts and shit don't stink is the day I will say they are cut from a different cloth. Sweet ideas/theories and ability to speak well isn't a super power. I think people need to contemplate death more, imagine you're about to get shot in the head and what that means to you right in this moment, in my case it means i'm taking all this bullshit and nonsense too seriously and nothing is concrete or "real" in any definition. This whole human experience is way too bizarre. I don't even know what all this is anymore. The other day I was so exhausted my consciousness was so weak, reality felt exactly like a dream as I fell into non existent oblivion yet again.

I like alan watt's speeches, I remember listening to these before, but I just realised he kinda bashes "no mind" and meditation from minute 31 and onwards. Spiritual gurus really just confuse the crap out of everyone, If you can gather them all in one place and ask them to point in a direction they'd all point into random directions, the irony. It's all within you, you know everything there is to know about your being more so than anyone else, looking for validation on the outside from some external thing shows inner confusion and lack of understanding of the self. So the more questions you have on "your being" the more work you have left to do. I like Sadhguru's funny responses to these questions. Usually along the lines of "I do not know the purpose of your being" and "Why are you asking ME?" whenever someone asks the question "who am I?".

I was watching the below video and it kind of reflected my opinion on most spiritual people. Just because you believe something, have faith in something, practice something, or think it is improving you doesn't necessarily mean it's true. It can all just be self belief and self delusion. Notice how how the Ki master who got an ass beating from the MMA fighter and was completely in shock that his techniques didn't work. In fact most of the Ki and energy instructors were in shock in this video. How do you define real spiritual growth? how do you know it's not only advancing a belief? a delusion that you can't see anymore? For me for example: there is a state of nothingess, no mind no sensory field, death, and sleeping, and then there is the state of something, the sensory perceptions, the experience, reality as it is, life and waking up. Everything else seems like fancy BS talk that is trying to clever but ironically adds to more confusion and more thinking.

I used to think like that before spiritual work, however I find it limiting. It can also heavily backfire, enjoy your life you say? That could easily translate into an excuse for many indulging, this is how most understand the "enjoy your life" statement. Not to mention businesses also use that idea to sell you a bunch of crap "your life is short, buy the shoes!" So what happens when reality hits you with tough times and negative experiences? I think to live life consciously is a better ideal, to bask in the miracle of life. Think of it this way, there is a big difference between gobbling up an entire pizza unconsciously or savouring every bite and taste of it. There was an experiment they where they deprived people of all sensory information in a bunker for a long period. When one of the test subjects came out he said something along the lines of "When I first came here, this place looked nasty, and manky, I wasn't feel great about it, but now after no sensory information everything is amazing! The colours are so vibrant! the air is fresh, the breeze is nice, the birds are singing, the sun shine is warm, the trees and plants look beautiful!" I think this one of our main problems, it is how blind we truly are. Unconsciousness is like looking at life through very dirty lenses, and not even realising it.