Ry4n

Very insightful point. Also when the media (at least in my case) lies constantly who are people going to turn to? That's right...conspiracies. If the media was just honest about this people could hold their trust in them and avoid the conspiracies thus there wouldn't be such a god damn shit show. It also doesn't help that we're literally mocking unvaccinated people like they are animals, this is making things so so so much worse. I don't disagree at all I'm getting my second shot this week. I think creating a culture that encourages vaccines (alongside other methods) whilst hitting targets before opening up is great, I'm just against mandating past that point as it increases psychological reactance that otherwise wouldn't be there. It isn't even necessary in the first place if literally 90% of the population are fully vaxxed. You have to make people feel like it is their decision and that they feel right about doing so; bullying, mocking and coercing causes the division we're seeing today. If people are already suspicious, how do you think adding a mandate would influence their opinion? I don't disagree I'm just saying that we are going about this the wrong way. Ehhh, ok? I'm Australian. I just don't want the police coming to my house because I said something bad about them on Facebook, which has happened here. Multiple times. If I had a medical exemption for a mask walking down the street the police would beat the living shit out of me regardless. It's hell dude. Forgetting to wear a mask should not warrant throwing someone in jail for 2 years which is another law that may very well pass tomorrow. More patronising because of a differing opinion. That patronising attitude is literally a cultural phenomenon that exacerbates the problem. Imagine trying to convince someone to get it with this attitude, how do you think they'll react? Yes...You have TOTALLY won over the "conspiracy theorist" by calling him an idiot. (Not that I'm saying you did but I'm sure you understand my point).

My bad, do you have a better one? It's still related to the thread.

"The overall death rate from covid-19 has been estimated at 0.66%, rising sharply to 7.8% in people aged over 80 and declining to 0.0016% in children aged 9 and under.1" https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1327 Idk man...sounds a bit extreme.

oh bro don't say that ahahaha Ikr

who needs fornication when you can fornicate the entire universe with ur imaginary shlong in an imaginary world.

God is completely and totally content within itself 100%, it dreams for the pure enjoyment of doing so, its value is inherent in and of itself. The idea that God is just dreaming for no other reason than to hide from itself out of fear is nothing more than a human projection. God does not need to hide from itself, it's people who hide from their essence. Illusion is God's mechanism, but that doesn't remove its beauty.

To be honest I feel like this aspect is almost guaranteed for most people and it was something I went through, albeit not so crushing a degree as you. Every single particular aspect of existence lost all meaning, including myself and my human life, but this wasn't the end (although I had been in some fucked life situations so letting it all go for the light was easier in that moment). This destruction of meaning towards any particular thing can result in an understanding that existence/God as an all-encompassing "whole" is infinitely valuable and deserves reverence in an almost religious sense, as opposed to any one thing being more "meaningful" than another. It really transcends that very notion of meaning in the first place because it is finite. For me peace is absolute, meaning is just a relative concept. Meaning for any particular thing is gone but the value of existence as a whole is not, and that value itself is infinite. If it's beyond concepts then of course it's beyond meaning, but to say as a whole existence is of no value I just don't see that. Remember that attaching a negative connotation to meaninglessness is itself just more meaning, albeit a very negative one. Meditation has helped me see that. It's usually better to sit in silence A LOT following such experiences as thinking about it too much will mean your ego co-opts the experience and forms its own belief system around it. In the end stillness is all there is, free of any egoic interpretation. Either you have absolute meaning or absolute freedom and peace, the latter means you as a human in a world can still decide what your purpose is whilst your essence is free, but to have absolute meaning would bind your human self to its ideal and you wouldn't have freedom. If God's dreaming was so utterly pointless why would it bother in the first place?

Don't know about cards, but there are legit psychics out there albeit extremely rare. The best way to know is whether or not they charge; all the legit ones I knew never charged so if they do something is already sus.

this and general mindfulness is a fricking life saver in these moments I have to +1 this point @Jakuchu To be honest saying "alone" feels weird since it is only alone in the sense of being all encompassing if that makes sense? As opposed to some solipsistic narcissistic aloneness where it's like being on an island by yourself far away from everything, a much more dissociating experience. This is at least my interpretation of that word, maybe I'm lacking a good dose of that cosmic horror lol. But perhaps this is why the dream exists at all? That if God is love which is a shared experience than its purpose is to split into dualities through creation in order to facilitate that sharing? That whilst waking from the dream can be liberating the purpose is not to stay there? Idk man I'm just trynna help, surely there's a more positive way of seeing this. When you've suffered a lot in life being alone with pure spirit/stillness is pretty liberating, it literally is life saving. Total resolution. @Godishere Hopefully my perspective was of help to you but feel free to ignore if it wasn't, I feel for ya man I do.

Imagine waking up from a dream but you still have to take part in it. You will lose all sense of meaning for a while, only to then expand and realise existence itself which encapsulates everything is infinitely meaningful equally so to a degree so deep it transcends the very notion of "meaning". What seems so special right now is a mere joke in comparison, yet what you will find will include those things whilst going beyond it.

It is alone because it is all encompassing, a very different aloneness than the connotations of that word. Alone in pure stillness is very different than me ruminating on the prospect of a single divine being being alone. God is not a being. That being said you as a human wouldn't wanna stay there, hence here we are. Being alone in our finite minds is way more terrifying to me. WAY MORE. FUCK THAT.

I have one decent strength every morning, but usually never a second. I have no crash personally and the benefits feel worth it. It's better to combine with Theanine though.

my beloved Melbourne, tragic indeed.

watch the other video. Melbourne is ahead of the game mate haha. We're leading the way. If I made this complaint on Facebook the Police would be at my door right now as evident by recent events. It was silly to me and now I'm living it. Likewise it is silly to other countries until....well. I truly hope you're right, that this won't spread. That other countries don't adopt these totalitarian ways. France and Canada should look interesting. We'll see, but I hope you're right. "Totalitarianism is a form of government and a political system that prohibits all opposition parties, outlaws individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism." Thanks for recommending that to me, sounds very accurate in describing my lived experience. Always remember this works like a frog in water, if you turn the heat up extremely slowly they won't notice the burn until it's too late. Currently burning right now, it's very fun. It looks like that water is getting hotter in other countries, hence my concern. But if you want to be a part of the problem in downplaying this be my guest. ^ Is this not outlawing individual opposition? Is this not prohibiting opposition? Is this not intimidating the public by using the Police as an extended arm of the government, as made evident by this and much more footage? Is this not controlling one's private life? Is this not extreme to you? Do you genuinely believe being arrested for Facebook posts is normal?

a very beautiful part of awakening

I am a conspiracy theorist? How so? What factual evidence? In response to what? I merely said mandates open the flood gates to totalitarianism, and used my own state of Melbourne as an example because I am living that reality right now. Here is an example below: Complaining about the government is now illegal. Yes, and the first mandated one to be politicised. It's actually the first vaccine to be mandated across all industries 100%, at least in my case. No unvaccinated person will be allowed to leave the house for the foreseeable future in my state. That is definitely new. People usually don't get paid either to get a vaccine, or win special prices like they are 12 years old. That is also new. Labelling everything as a conspiracy is merely a tactic to downplay that which you don't like to hear. Taking one side whilst downplaying and ignoring the other is a symptom of the cultural influence around us and increases the division we are currently facing, it's not the only thing but it is an important factor in why people are so divided right now. This is merely an ad hominem with no explanation behind it. What observable facts are even talking about in response to what I said? Like I said I am against mandating across all industries with every single individual in the planet. If you are so against the unvaccinated fuck em! Let em face the consequences, me as a vaccinated healthy person will be protected thus I have no concern. Another ad hominem to downplay my points because it creates cognitive dissonance during tense times. Here's another example of why my concern around totalitarianism is legitimate:

Probs real, I've had paranormal experiences that many shared in one house and only in one house that required a psychic intervention to fix. I saw their faces on doorknobs, I saw bike pedals spinning with aggression with no wind, others cried because of their experiences in that house, constant banging. My head was literally moved by one whilst in bed. The "psychic" was actually the son of one who was an electrician thus was not paid for any of this, he simply had too because he couldn't stop dreaming of this house it tormented him like it did me. It seems this usually only occurs because of deep unresolved problems the person had during their life that prevent them from moving on. Electricity fuels their presence for some reason. It's because of this that I think we probably do have astral bodies that continue upon death but I don't care either way, it's just that I've had way too much experience with this stuff to deny it. But to be honest this stuff gets really dark, I wouldn't entertain it too much. When it comes to spirituality focus on enlightenment that will actually set you free. Absolute vs relative basically. Ignoring the relative is very nutty I agree. People think they're smart with these classic "It's all imaginary HA! Got ya there" as if that helps anyone or even answers the question on a relative level at all, it clearly doesn't lol. Facts, I probably contemplate death too much.

Yep, that is exactly what happened in Melbourne. Now we are living in hell. The statement "get vaccinated without mandates" is simply too nuanced.

Doesn't really matter, in principle letting the unvaccinated face the consequences and minding one's medical business is a healthier societal culture than medical apartheids. The public opinion around vaccines definitely changed after mandates were introduced which is a shame, I'm currently living that right now. It's totally fine if you don't believe my lived reality, because in due time this will be your experience also as totalitarianism expands beyond Melbourne, assuming there isn't sufficient pushback. Moving the focus towards healthier eating (Obesity is one of the biggest risk factors), exercise, proper ventilation ON TOP of the standard guidelines will yield best results. Even if you were right that mandating it will speed hit us to the targets, that still sets a very dangerous precedent for the future of our medical privacy and basic human rights. To assert that such principles will be upheld following such events is simply naive; once it's gone it's possibly forever. Coming from someone who's getting their second shot next week, please don't associate me with anti-vaxxers or misinformation spreaders. All need for control stems from fear, and I understand your fear and the moral justification to control behaviour through coercion, it comes from good intentions but it is ultimately misguided and we may only see the full ramifications of this for generations to come. At least in my specific case in the T capital of the world, mainstream media spread equal amounts of lies as the conservative conspiracy theorists, such as the idea that a young perfectly healthy individual will almost certainly die of covid, or that all protestors in Melbourne are neo nazis which is a flat out lie. This creates frustration and confusion in the community that perpetuates the spreading of misinformation, thus if you're against it consider looking at the source of it. The politicisation of a vaccine overall makes many people naturally suspicious, this hasn't really happened before and people have never been THIS against a vaccine regardless of its effectiveness...perhaps there's a reason for that? Who are people going to turn to when the mainstream lies? That's right...conspiracy theories. By all means get vaccinated, wear a mask in busy areas, eat well etc. but when the government decides every medical decision for us with the highest degree of sanctimony we start to hit into very dangerous territory. Where do we draw the line? I'm genuinely asking. I'm living proof that we need to draw a line with how we control people's lives, using Melbourne as an example the desire for control grows as the powers continue being extended. Who knows perhaps one day alcohol will be illegal as this increases the detrimental effects of covid? Maybe that sounds silly to you, but to me in the T capital of the world it sounds very possible. I'm living it now...perhaps you will one day too.

That would just be a misinterpretation of what he said which is pretty easy to do considering he's sloppy with the technical details. The most absolute statement would be that there is no form, cosmos or death in the first place, these are all just masks consciousness/God wears, but that obviously isn't very useful. But if you're convinced on a relative level that your human brain's activities are controlling the entire cosmos not only is that not enlightenment it's the highest form of spiritual egotistical narcissism one could ever possibly imagine and I wish you the best in the mental asylum LOL. God likes putting limitations on itself. Get enough seperate animals with limited consciousness to meet and you get "consensus reality" more or less. A few crazy duds in the society will have chaotic dreams, and then one or two awake animals will finally realise it's all a dream. As long as one knows non-duality changes absolutely nothing about the relative world than a lot of confusion can be avoided.

Cheers!

Yeah the government is completely corrupt now to the point that it feels irreversible; thankfully I won't be living in this shit hole in the future. But yes it's a complete mass psychosis but the pushback is growing. Until our premier is elected out of office, unvaccinated will be completely segregated from all of society totally. The Gov and Media are actively encouraging the discrimination of the unvaccinated. People are leaving their jobs not because they are unvaccinated but because their companies are complying to tyranny. The YT channel Academy of Ideas has some really good videos on totalitarianism that illustrate what's going on very well. Needless to say my psyche fucking needed that clarity.

Mandating a vaccine to the "MUH FREEDOM" people is like throwing gasoline onto the fire thinking it was water. The people who may have gotten it before are now COMPLETELY against it for no other reason than the mandate. Get the vax but don't mandate it. Most countries would hit the sufficient targets without it. If you treat them like an adult they'll be more receptive. Coming from someone in Melbourne Australia the totalitarian capital of the world. It's not worth it.

Thank you very much for the advice, highly appreciated and yes a spiritual ego is a sneaky bastard no doubt. I find spiritual smugness very grotesque, and the zen attitude of going from the most divine places to a completely humble "normie" very inspiring. I'm glad to hear this because that does seem to be the trajectory I'm heading (thank God) because that nihilistic phase can last a long time but the drive for living fully does come back, but like you said it's more about the journey than a specific accomplishment. It seems a lot of us on this journey will have to shrug off this "hustle" culture that is so unhealthy, especially in self help circles such as this one; there's something infectious about it and maybe some of it's good but yes ultimately unfulfilling. One could perhaps use that fire for life itself I think. To be fully engaged in the world yet very detached is most definitely an art form, but I'm excited to see how practicing it will play out. Thanks again.