Prabhaker

Whatsoever can be said cannot be true. For example, we can say something about light to a blind man knowing well that it is impossible to communicate anything about light because he has no experience of it. But something can be said about light – theories about light can be created. Even a blind man can become an expert about the theories of light; about the whole science of light he can become an expert – there is no problem in it – but he will not understand what light is. The experience of light he will not understand. So all that is said to a blind man about light is only relative: it is something about light, not light itself. Light cannot be communicated.

@Dodoster The absolute transcends every conceptualization; you cannot conceive it. You can live it, you can be in it, but no intellectual conception is possible about the absolute. All conceptions are bound to be erroneous because conception, as such, is relative. The moment you go beyond conceptions, you know the absolute. But even when you have known it, you cannot transform it into a conception.

@Beau OSHO: The Search for the Eternal Lover

Some women love bad guys, sooner or later they become tired of nice guys too.

@JCShannon88 All morality of a nice guy is a politics, morality helps us in adjustment in society. Nice guys are not nice guys in true sense, if a guy is really nice he will become mentally very strong. So called nice guys envy others. They are jealous of others success, happiness. They think too much about sex or watch porn. Try to become a real nice guy, improve your health and fitness, start your journey towards meditation.

There is no God in the first place, you talk about logic, and talk so illogically ! What is God ?

No they can't, it is not humanly possible. God, enlightenment are just a fiction.

No, path of enlightenment results in sufferings, you can see whole history, enlightened persons are always tortured, and die in miserable conditions.

There is no logical or scientific evidence that enlightenment happens in human beings, how can you prove logically that enlightenment is "transcendence of delusion" ?

Is it possible to remove somebody from existence?

Whatever causes them, thoughts exist.

That's the nature of things, nobody can do better than that. The mind is just a process. In fact, mind doesn't exist, only thoughts - thoughts moving so fast that you think and feel that something exists there in continuity. Thought exist , mind doesn't exist. Mind is just the appearance. Just like individuals exist, crowd doesn't exist without individuals. Without thoughts mind doesn't exist, without thoughts there is only pure awareness.

When Jesus said,"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, then all else will follow" What is your interpretation of " then all else will follow "? How can you say ,it is a "pretty poor job" ? It tells nothing about mind !

If you don't know then how do you know that 'wise teachings' are misinterpreted ? You never replied, you said that, "abstract representation of what emerges from the chemical and electrical processes of the physical brain, as well as the body to a lesser degree." Now you are telling that "Thought and experience" , emerges from the chemical and electrical processes of the physical brain. I am asking , what is mind ?

You can know religion by living it, interpretation without experiencing is not possible, and you are misinterpreting. Then , what is mind ?

Your interpretation is not correct. Religion says : you create the effect, and see: the cause follows. It will look absurd if you don’t know it and don’t experiment with it. What emerges from the chemical and electrical processes of the physical brain ?

Not at all, it is a religious law. What is mind according to you ?

The mind is just a process. In fact, mind doesn't exist, only thoughts - thoughts moving so fast that you think and feel that something exists there in continuity. Thought exist , mind doesn't exist. Mind is just the appearance.

Religion says: Produce the effect and the cause follows. This is absolutely illogical. Jesus says the same thing in different words: Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, then all else will follow. But the Kingdom of God is the end, the effect. Seek ye first the end – the end means the effect, the result – and the cause will follow.

Everybody has something, everybody has accumulated something. Nobody is so poor that he has nothing. And nobody is so rich that he has everything. Even the poorest has his own clinging, and the richest yet has his own ambitions. Even a beggar is rich because he has something which he clings to. It may be just a begging-bowl, but it doesn't matter whether it's a kingdom or a begging bowl. The question is not of the objects you possess; the question is whether you are possessive. You can have a kingdom non-possessively, and you can be a beggar and very possessive. So when Jesus says that a rich man cannot enter into the kingdom of God, he's talking about the man who is possessive, who is miserly, the man who is closed and cannot share, the man who cannot participate in life -- who remains afraid and becomes an island unto himself, who separates himself from the whole and becomes a closed thing, who remains in a cocoon. This man is what Jesus means by a rich man.

You are misinformed.

What Buddha communicated to his closet disciples was not not limited to logic, presence of enlightened masters communicate that which is not logical.

You have been told about meditation and enlightenment that is logical by new age teachers, that which is not logical and can't communicated in words in not told.

I am not separating humans from nature, I am not limiting nature to Aristotelian logic. If Aristotle and Buddha had met, it would have been really something just fantastic, because Aristotle says A is always A and can never be B. But Buddha has a fourfold logic: he says A is A, A sometimes is B, A and B sometimes are both together – so much so that it is difficult to decide which is A and which is B; and sometimes A and B both are absent – still, their absence is their absence. He calls it fourfold logic. And if you look at existence you will find Buddha a better logician than Aristotle.

Logic is not the way of understanding consciousness, life. Meditation is. Aristotle, one man for two thousand years has been dictating everything in the world of science: the laws, the logic that he wrote two thousand years ago continue to be applied. Anything against Aristotle is simply unacceptable. No man in the whole history of humanity has dominated so much. A single man – and he created the whole system of logic, and science goes on following his logic. Nature goes on its own way – it has its own laws, it has no obligation to follow Aristotle.