Prabhaker

Then start loving Osho, he was a naughty Guru !

Not bad but different, Buddha was very disciplined.

Osho was naughty and extrovert, my life is more like Gautama Buddha.

What do you expect from a meditator? He should sit silently forever, live like a statue ?

What I did ? Where ? You think too much ! May god give you peace !

Only when a society becomes affluent does spirituality become meaningful. To be spiritual, or to be interested in the ultimate questions of life, one needs to have fulfilled all lower wants and needs. For example, in Buddha’s time, India was like America is today. In those days, India was the richest land. The spirituality that we have in India today is just a leftover from those days.

Do you mean no successful and sane person will spend time on this forum ?

I love you too just like I love Osho, but how this forum is a wrong place ?

Is it love ?

Why do you hate this forum so much ?

If understanding means you are trying intellectually – through logic, reason, concepts – and that’s the sure way to miss realization. The intellect is utilitarian. It helps while you are moving outside of your being. It is helpful as a guide in the world of the without. The moment you turn inwards it becomes useless; it is no more a guide. Then it misguides. There is a limit to the intellect... and realization can be felt only, not understood. Intellect is superficial – so if you are trying to understand realization, you will go on missing. The first thing to be understood is that understanding is not the right direction. I am saying that if you want, you can experience realization but you cannot understand. But the mind is cunning; it goes on thinking about realization. Thinking is a very secure situation. You never go out of yourself. You go on playing with words. Understanding transforms, but understanding comes from living life consciously. Logic can't help you, you are there to interpret it, interpretation will always be yours. A Buddha, one who is enlightened, helps you to grow. If he talks, he talks only to help you to drop all talking. If he uses words, he uses them only to help you to become wordless. If he talks, he talks only to indicate towards silence. So always remember, when a Buddha says anything, the container is not important at all, but the content. The word is the container and the meaning is the content. But that meaning can come to you only when you grow. Unless you taste something of buddhahood, you will not understand. So it is not a question of knowledge; it is a question of understanding. Knowledge you can go on gathering; you need not grow. You can go on stuffing yourself with knowledge and deep down inside you will remain the same – no growth happens, no transformation happens. If you understand, then meditation is not something to be done; it is a consequence of understanding. But if you don’t understand, then meditation has to be done, because only through meditation, by and by you will be cleansed and understanding will become possible. Understanding never comes through logic, through logic you will gather more and more information but your capacity to understand will remain same. Either you understand – then meditation follows; or you don’t understand – then you have to meditate and understanding follows. They are interdependent. But don’t deceive yourself, because deception is very easy. You can think, ’Yes, I understand.’ You can think that you understand, because it is very ego-enhancing to think that you understand – and so what need is there to meditate? But if understanding really happens, then all problems disappear immediately. If problems still linger on, then you must have deceived. If anger continues to be there, if hatred continues to be there, if jealousy continues to be there, if fear continues to be there, then you have deceived yourself. Then please, start meditating. Then much cleansing has to be done. Understanding is – a clear mirror of consciousness. Meditation is just cleaning the mirror. Understanding is the clean mirror, the cleaned mirror.

Infrastructure is there but civilization is lost, mainstream society is trying to imitate west, obsession with money is at the levels of insanity. Retreat from materialistic life is an escapism instead of a spiritual growth in most of the cases.

Read this thread

Meditation happens by doing nothing.

They are jealous of prosperity and civilization of west. I find western people less materialistic than an average Indian.

They were pretending to be spiritual, only few people were truly spiritual, now they have tasted fruits of materialism, it is very difficult to move towards spirituality again. No country was spiritual in true sense in the history. I live in India , I understand it very well. Few people are spiritual everywhere, mainstream society is materialistic everywhere.

Nobody can deal with with concepts of the infinite, unless he is suffering from some psychological disorder or use psychedelics.

Medical science don't recognize enlightenment, they think logically, and many people suffering from 'enlightenment' are treated in mental hospitals everywhere in the world.

Is providing medical help horrific ?

They think logically, their is no enlightenment, may be some people suffer from psychosis. Psychiatrists can treat any enlightened person and bring him back to normal life.

Pantheism is the belief that all reality is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent god. No scientist will ever agree with this nonsense. They need a good psychiatrist.

In every context it is a lie. God is the greatest lie man has invented. What ever is not in your hand you leave it on big daddy(God), Simply because you need some one for satisfaction and this way no one has been independent. So God is the basic lie, now to protect this lie thousand of lies are spoken in different forms. Enlightenment can be a hallucination at the most, many people waste their life in pursuit of hallucination, they are sometimes treated very badly by mainstream society.

All are fiction, God is the greatest lie you can ever find.

I was not talking against the finger, I was saying that people become obsessed with the finger, start analyzing the finger instead of looking at the moon.

All books are fingers pointing at the moon. If we keep on looking at finger, instead of looking at moon, we can never know it.