Prabhaker

Why do you believe this ?

OSHO: meditation BREATHING TECHNIQUES

Now I live alone, away from society to continue my journey. All other tactful spiritual teachers are there because of message given by true masters. Without them tactful spiritual teachers can't exist.

Girls love bad guys & marry nice guys ! You must know there was a time when mad people were thought to be criminals and they were thrown into prison, and there they were beaten. It was only a few hundred years ago that it occurred to anyone that these people are not criminals, they are suffering from a certain disease. By beating them you cannot beat the disease out. You are simply being idiotic. They need treatment, and you are mistreating them. And the same is true about all criminals, because I don’t see that any criminal is born a criminal. The way he is brought up, the society in which he is brought up, makes him a criminal. And once his mind starts becoming criminal, then you have to change the whole way of his mind. It is no use chaining him, throwing him into jail, beating him — it does nothing. It is simply reinforcing in him that when he comes out he will be a confirmed criminal, a graduated criminal. Your imprisonments, your prisons, are universities for criminals, from which they graduate. So once a man goes to jail, he comes out having learned many things from old criminals with whom he has been there. And all that he learns from your behavior is that to commit the crime is not the crime, but to be caught is the crime. So he learns ways not to be caught. You have to change the track of his mind which moves into criminality. And that can be done. Biochemistry can be of much help, medicine can be of much help, psychiatry can be of much help. Now we have every resource to make that man a dignified human being. Service is not needed, what is needed is a sharing of your consciousness — your knowledge, your being, your respect — but first you must have it. The greatest problem of humanity is that they don’t know anything of meditation. That is the greatest problem. Neither the population, nor the atom bomb, nor hunger… no, these are not basic problems; they can be easily solved by science. The only, basic problem that science will not be able to solve is that people don’t know how to meditate. The Dalai Lama said, “If every 8 year old in the world is taught meditation, we will eliminate violence from the world within one generation.”

Understand how to meditate (in most logical way.)

One very foundational thing will have to be understood, and that is that the people you call bad are never so bad as the people you call good. The bad people are bad, but they have no excuse about being bad. They know they are bad, and they have nowhere to hide themselves. But the people who are thought to be good - respectable, honored, respected, religious - they are the real dangerous people because their badness can hide in their goodness. They can murder and will not feel that they are murderous. They can kill and can go on feeling that they are doing that killing for the good of those who are being killed. The ordinarily bad, the criminal, is exposed. He knows that he is not good And that is the possibility of transformation: he can understand and can come out of it. But the so-called good hides under his personality. He may not be able to understand what he is doing, for what reasons he is doing it. He can always manage to rationalize. That's how it happened. And not only in the case of Jesus; it has been happening always. The priests w ho were murderous never thought that they were doing anything bad. They thought that they were saving their religion; they thought that they were saving the morality. They thought: "This man is dangerous. He is corrupting the youth." That was the charge against Jesus - that he was corrupting people, he was destroying the old morality, he was creating a chaos. And that was the charge against Socrates, and that is the charge against me. It has always been so. The priests: whether they are Hindus or Greeks or Jews, it makes no difference. The priests are the protectors of the old. The temple is of the past; they are the protectors, the guardians of tradition. Of course Jesus looked dangerous to them. He could destroy the whole structure. It is not that they were deceiving themselves. They may have thought, without a single suspicion, that they were perfectly right. "This man is dangerous. To destroy this man is to save the society." And of course whenever there is such an alternative - that you can save the whole society by killing one man - the murder is worth it. The priests killed him because of their goodness, because of their virtue, because of their morality. They killed him in the name of God; they killed him very innocently. This situation has been arising again and again in history. There seems to be no possibility to change it. The only possibility is that Jesus should be so moderate that he doesn't hurt anybody. But then he is useless. He could have managed, he could have been very moderate and liberal. He could have talked like a politician who talks much but never says anything, who says many things but is always vague. He never clearly asserts anything; you can never pinpoint what he has said. If Jesus had been tactful, he could have saved himself, But then there would have been no Christ also. And that would have been a greater murder.

Then why should a guy have multiple skills when you never tried to attain it ?

Do you have multiple skills ?

Then what is enlightenment ? How can you say it happens in human beings?

The very insistence for enlightenment is illogical or not ?

Who told you ? What skills ?

They are not good lovers.

Never marry a genius.

I agree , he was a great person, he was important for humanity but he was not enlightened. An enlightened person is more precious not only for humanity but for whole existence. Our unconscious way of living.

Then what makes humanity unconscious ?

We need people who are not teachers, but we don't need unconscious humanity. We need scientists, musicians, administrators but if an enlightened person is wasting his time in a political movement (it only tells he is unenlightened), he can't be forgiven. Enlightenment is a rare happening, and if a person can influence masses , must teach enlightenment, his time is very precious for humanity. When you will grow spiritually, then only you will understand it.

Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated, but he was not assassinated for his enlightenment teachings. Many people sacrifice their lives but enlightened masters are tortured because they teach enlightenment and break your sleep.

Enlightened person don't take noble prizes, they are crucified.

Gandhi was a honest and courageous person, so he made everything public. Martin Luther King was not a mystic, nether he taught others about enlightenment. Martin Luther King Sr was an American Baptist pastor, missionary, and an early figure in the Civil Rights Movement. Why an enlightened person will waste his time in a Civil Rights Movement, when he knows the root cause of all problems,i.e, unconscious humanity ?

Gandhi was sleeping naked with young and minor girls, as he was experimenting on celibacy. If he was enlightened, what was the point in experimenting ? Gandhi never made a secret of sleeping naked with is great-grand daughter and the wife of his great-grand son. It may have been his way of testing his control over his sexual drive, but these women were used as guinea pigs. If he had used other adult women, it would have been nothing more than interesting gossip. But Gandhi chose a teenage blood relation and a great-grand-daughter-in-law for his sexual whims. It is as unforgivable as it is unbelievable.

I can discuss about Gandhi at length but if you think that "You don't need an enlightenment experience to become enlightened", then all discussion will be futile.

No problem in it , a rich man's Guru is available. "In my vision of life, materialism and spiritualism are not contraries; materialism paves the way for religion. Hence I am utterly materialistic and utterly spiritualistic." ~ Osho. OSHO: I Am the Rich Man's Guru

Those who are on a spiritual journey can sooner or later infer that a teacher is enlightened or not.

Only few people attain enlightenment , becoming a enlightened teacher is very rare. Osho was enlightened, I know because all credit of my spiritual growth goes to Osho, he has completely transformed me. Almost everything I post on this forum are words of Osho. Every enlightened person is different, like Krishna and Buddha appear to be very different. Enlightenment is absolutely an individual and private experience, like love. In fact, there is no way to know whether Hitler knew any experience of love or not. At the most through their words and acts we can infer.

No, enlightenment happens in peace and silence. Martin Luther King was a good man, but not enlightened. The really enlightened person has no desire to influence the masses. If they are influenced, that is another matter. Similarly Mahatma Gandhi was a good man, but not enlightened.