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They can criticize each other. U.G. Krishnamurti on Osho Rajneesh and Jiddu Krishnamurti.

Here Mataji Nirmala Devi is exposing a fake one. Every religion tries to prove that other paths are wrong. Christians preach that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Mohammedans say that Islam is only true path. We can't judge what is write and what is wrong. Osho's message was for the rich and educated. Every master's message is not appropriate for everyone. How can you judge who is fake and who is real master ? A Buddhist can find Krishna as fake , a Hindu can find Mohammad as fake. A lot of people find Eckhart tolle is very helpful, 'Power of Now' is the best book, Eckhart tolle doesn't resonates with me, I find Osho is the best teacher, it doesn't mean that others are wrong.

Don't judge what is sacrifice and what is being tactful. Mainstream society can think that a mystic is sacrificing his life, a mystic perfectly knows that materialists are sacrificing their lives.

No, they were the most intelligent. They attacked on existing education system of India.

I always post teaching of Osho on this forum. A master is not interested in teaching us true historical facts. What good it will do if we learn correct history or science? Earth is round or flat ? Life originated on earth 6000 years ago or billions of years ago ? For him our transformation is important. I am providing you excerpts from department of tourism, government of West Bengal , website. The Master smoked tobacco a few times a day [as was the custom in those days], using a hubble-bubble that he kept in the southwest corner of his room. Whenever Ramakrishna went to Calcutta his attendant always carried his towel and spice bag, which contained fennel seeds, cloves, cubeb, caraway, and cardamom. Sri Ramkrishna Paramahansa was very fond of Sandesh and Jilipi. Ramakrishna loved all foods, not just sweets. Perhaps he experienced the divine through his sense of taste. Not strange. As food went past his taste buds and entered his stomach a sense of joy radiated and filled his entire body. Sometimes he would walk out of a gathering of disciples, run to the kitchen, smell or taste what was ready and dart back. His wife, Ma Sarada, at times felt embarrassed wondering what people would think. But Ramakrishna was oblivious, for he knew that some mysterious power was in control and he was doing its bidding. He never talked about his weakness for food because he said he did not wish to attract a following of gluttons. Ramakrishna enjoyed food all his life, experienced great joy, and kept quiet about it. His followers reverently ignored his weakness. http://www.bengalcuisine.in/ram-krishna

Some of them still wear dhoti !

Enlightened masters tell stories. Excerpts from Osho talks : As far as I am concerned, I am not what they call a speaker or an orator. It is not an art to me or a technique; technically I go on becoming worse every day! But our purposes are totally different. I don´t want to impress you in order to manipulate you. I don´t speak for any goal to be achieved through convincing you. I don´t speak to convert you into a Christian, into a Hindu or a Mohammedan, into a theist or an atheist. These are not my concerns. My speaking is really one of my devices for meditation. Speaking has never been used this way: I speak not to give you a message, but to stop your mind functioning. My purpose is so unique: I am using words just to create silent gaps. The words are not important so I can say anything contradictory, anything absurd, anything unrelated, because my purpose is just to create gaps. The words are secondary; the silences between those words are primary. This is simply a device to give you a glimpse of meditation. And once you know that it is possible for you, you have traveled far in the direction of your own being. Most of the people in the world don´t think that it is possible for mind to be silent. Because they don´t think it is possible, they don´t try. How to give people a taste of meditation was my basic reason to speak, so I can go on speaking eternally; it does not matter what I am saying. All that matters is that I give you a few chances to be silent, which you find difficult on your own in the beginning. ~ Osho, Don’t Bite My Finger, Look Where I’m Pointing, Chapter 16 Zen uses stories and Sufism also uses stories, but their stories have a different flavor, a different tone. The Zen story is absurd - it is a riddle, and a riddle which cannot be solved. You can try, but you will NEVER be able to solve it. That insolubility is built-in; it is intrinsic to the Zen story. It HAS to be absurd because it is a device to destroy your mind, to shock your mind. It is a sword... to kill your mind. It drives you almost mad, because there seems to be no solution coming and you have to go on meditating on the story. It is a meditation device. Many solutions are given by the mind, but all solutions are rejected by the Master. The disciple goes on, day in and day out, with new solutions, and the Master goes on shouting at the disciple, "This is nonsense! Go and search again!" Sometimes months, sometimes years pass, and then a moment comes to the disciple when he sees that there is no solution. And remember, if you simply think there is no solution then you have missed the point. You have to come to a realization that there is no solution. In that state of no-solution, no-conclusion, a transcendence happens, a leap, a quantum leap - you have gone beyond the mind through the mind. The Zen story functions like a sword to cut the knot of the mind. The Sufi story is not a riddle, it is a parable. It is not a shock, it is not a sword; it is persuasion, it is seduction. It is the way of the lover. It is very gentle and soft and feminine. Zen is very masculine, Sufism is feminine. The Zen story drives you mad: through creating a maddening state in the mind it helps you to go beyond it. It drives you crazy! The Sufi story intoxicates you slowly, slowly but inevitably. The Sufi story has a poetry in it, a rhythm. The Sufi story has to be contemplated, not meditated upon. The Zen story has to be meditated upon. The Sufi story has to be imbibed, sipped like tea, enjoyed in a relaxed mood. The Zen story has to be penetrated with a very, very concentrated mind, in a very tense attitude, in intensity. You have to focus all your energies on the story. You have to forget the whole world; only that small absurd story exists. And you know it cannot be solved, and yet you have to put your whole energy into it. And all the time you know that this is absurd, it is not going to lead you anywhere, but the Master says, "Focus! Concentrate! Pay attention! Look into the riddle of the story!" The Sufi story has to be listened to just like a story. Sufis are great storytellers. They will sip tea or coffee, they will sit together in a cozy place, warm. The story will start, and the Master will tell the story. And the story only gives glimpses, hints, but very potential, very penetrating. All that is needed on the part of the disciple is to listen, not attentively but sympathetically, with an open heart, not with any tension. The story has to be enjoyed. It reveals its mysteries when you are enjoying it. ~ Osho. The Wisdom of the Sands, Chapter 1

Is there any contradiction ?

One of Osho's disciple Nirmala Srivastava has now become a great spiritual leader. Now her name is long: Her Holiness Jagatjanani - "The mother of the whole world" - Mataji Nirmalaji Srivastavaji. Instead of acknowledging , she criticizes Osho. Masters criticize each other. Buddha and Mahavira were contemporaries, but they criticized each other. Both were fully enlightened. Each master has to defend his path. They are not enemies, their fight is not of the ego. Their fight has a totally different context.

@unknownworld You care about truth, so you write first .

Why do you need a new thread and request from many people ? Take your own time and please explain ! I know you can't write because such experiences are not available on internet.

Why can't you explain your 'transformative mystical experiences' ?

You don't know about mystical experiences at all, what are the transformations you are talking about ?

Real Samadhi is not only about any hallucinating experience or experience of 'reality' . It is a mutation, it transforms you.

Whatsoever you do, do it with awareness; this is meditation. Walking, walk attentively, as if walking is everything; eating, eat with awareness, as if eating is everything; rising, rise with awareness; sitting, sit with awareness; all your actions become conscious, your mind does not travel beyond this moment, it remains in the moment, settles in the moment – this is meditation. Meditation is not an hour-a-day affair where you sit for one hour and then it is over till tomorrow. No, if twenty-three hours are empty of meditation and only one hour is meditative, then it is certain that the twenty-three hours will defeat the single hour. Non-meditation will win, meditation will lose. If you are living twenty-three hours a day without awareness, and only one hour with awareness, then you will never attain to the state of meditation.

Let's assume that I have no experience with psychedelics, but it is not an esoteric secret, anyone can read about it, different users experience are available on this forum and internet. Anyone can write about it. Experience of real mystics is not available to everyone. What you know from new age spiritual teachers is a vague hint. Many of so called spiritual teachers are not mystics. I don't know how do you compare experience of psychedelics with real Samadhi.

Neti Neti is a Sanskrit expression which means "not this, not this", or "neither this, nor that" "Who am I?" is not really a question because it has no answer to it; it is unanswerable. It is a device, not a question. It is used as a mantra. When you constantly inquire inside: "Who am I? Who am I?" you are not waiting for an answer. Your mind will supply many answers; all those answers have to be rejected. Your mind will say: "You are the essence of life. You are the eternal soul. You are divine," and so on and so forth. All those answers have to be rejected:neti neti -- one has to go on saying: "Neither this nor that." When you have denied all the possible answers that the mind can supply and devise, when the question remains absolutely unanswerable, a miracle happens: suddenly the question also disappears. When all the answers have been rejected, the question has no props, no supports inside to stand on any more. It simply flops, it collapses, it disappears. When the question also has disappeared, then you know. But that knowing is not an answer: it is an existential experience. Nothing can be said about it, or whatever will be said will be wrong. To say anything about it is to falsify it. It is the ultimate mystery, inexpressible, indefinable. No word is adequate enough to describe it.

I don't mind , you are free to express your views. It is more be shameful if you waste your life without experiencing real Samadhi.

I don't know it is really dangerous ! India has more vegetarians than the rest of the world put together. We are going to become most populated country in the world soon. It is scary !

The first part of yoga must be physiological because man lives on the circumference, in the body, so the work has to start there, only then can it reach the mind. And when one has gone beyond the body and beyond the mind, then the third, meditation, happens.

Learn yoga.

Only because this forum belongs to Leo, he advocates the use of psychedelics.

Different people use different terminologies. Consciousness is a quality of your mind, but it is not your total mind. Your mind can be both conscious and unconscious, but when you transcend your mind, there is no unconsciousness and no corresponding consciousness. There is awareness. (you can use word 'consciousness' for 'awareness' if you like)

Anyone can make false claims on a internet forum, you can't stop them by questioning if you have not experienced real and false Samadhi both. When people who know only the experience of psychedelics , do you question them? You immediately accept their claim. Nobody wants to travel on a long and arduous path. When plastic flower are available then why bother about real flowers ?