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And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” ◄ Matthew 27:46 ► ◄ Mark 15:34 ► @egoless You can clearly see that Jesus is complaining to God. He and his father are not one.

@egoless This is the first that I've heard that people clear their mind for the specific purpose of being susceptible to demonic influence.

Patanjali refers to fourth, although he has not emphasized the fourth. But Buddha has completely focused his whole attention on the fourth (Vipassana). Patanjali was working with body oriented people, and Buddha was working with mind oriented people. Buddha was working with intellectuals. Buddha is more suitable for modern man.

If he claims to be a god, it will hurt our ego too. Many of us will try to prove that he is not a god, he has so many weaknesses, he is just a salesman. It will be very difficult for us to accept if he claims godliness. Jesus said that, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home." ◄ Mark 6:4 ►

The Buddha was sitting under a tree talking to his disciples when a man came and spat in his face. He wiped it off, and he asked the man, “What next? What do you want to say next?” The man was a little puzzled because he himself never expected that when you spit on somebody’s face, he will ask, “What next?” He had no such experience in his past. He had insulted people and they had become angry and they had reacted. Or if they were cowards and weaklings, they had smiled, trying to bribe the man. But Buddha was like neither, he was not angry nor in any way offended, nor in any way cowardly. But just matter-of-factly he said, “What next?” There was no reaction on his part. But Buddha’s disciples became angry, and they reacted. His closest disciple, Ananda, said, “This is too much. We cannot tolerate it. He has to be punished for it, otherwise everybody will start doing things like this!” Buddha said, “You keep silent. He has not offended me, but you are offending me. He is new, a stranger. He must have heard from people something about me, that this man is an atheist, a dangerous man who is throwing people off their track, a revolutionary, a corrupter. And he may have formed some idea, a notion of me. He has not spit on me, he has spit on his notion. He has spit on his idea of me because he does not know me at all, so how can he spit on me? “If you think on it deeply,” Buddha said, “he has spit on his own mind. I am not part of it, and I can see that this poor man must have something else to say because this is a way of saying something. Spitting is a way of saying something. There are moments when you feel that language is impotent: in deep love, in intense anger, in hate, in prayer. There are intense moments when language is impotent. Then you have to do something. When you are angry, intensely angry, you hit the person, you spit on him, you are saying something. I can understand him. He must have something more to say, that’s why I’m asking, “What next?” The man was even more puzzled! And Buddha said to his disciples, “I am more offended by you because you know me, and you have lived for years with me, and still you react.” Puzzled, confused, the man returned home. He could not sleep the whole night. When you see a Buddha, it is difficult, impossible to sleep anymore the way you used to sleep before. Again and again he was haunted by the experience. He could not explain it to himself, what had happened. He was trembling all over, sweating and soaking the sheets. He had never come across such a man; the Buddha had shattered his whole mind and his whole pattern, his whole past. The next morning he went back. He threw himself at Buddha’s feet. Buddha asked him again, “What next? This, too, is a way of saying something that cannot be said in language. When you come and touch my feet, you are saying something that cannot be said ordinarily, for which all words are too narrow; it cannot be contained in them.” Buddha said, “Look, Ananda, this man is again here, he is saying something. This man is a man of deep emotions.” The man looked at Buddha and said, “Forgive me for what I did yesterday.” Buddha said, “Forgive? But I am not the same man to whom you did it. The Ganges goes on flowing, it is never the same Ganges again. Every man is a river. The man you spit upon is no longer here. I look just like him, but I am not the same, much has happened in these twenty-four hours! The river has flowed so much. So I cannot forgive you because I have no grudge against you. “And you also are new. I can see you are not the same man who came yesterday because that man was angry and he spit, whereas you are bowing at my feet, touching my feet. How can you be the same man? You are not the same man, so let us forget about it. Those two people, the man who spit and the man on whom he spit, both are no more. Come closer. Let us talk of something else.”

You are asking this question which implies that you think that there is success in this world, there can be great relationships with others. You have heard that 'in the end it will not lead to lasting happiness' . You might have heard that path of enlightenment leads to eternal happiness. Journey towards enlightenment is usually very long and arduous. Those who are in search will need infinite patience. Chasing money, girls, success is easier. In Indian we know everything about spirituality , meditation, prayer , mysticism, enlightenment since thousands of years but very few chose this path. Most of the people who chose this path, either drop out or become corrupted. Many famous so called saints are in prison on criminal charges like murder and rape. One hour meditation, out of twenty four hours is enough. It will illuminate your whole life. When you realize from your own experience that there can't be any success in life and every success is a failure. Then only you can radically go for the enlightenment path.

@egoless Similarly , why Christianity has killed more people than any other religion ? Jesus said “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. ◄ Matthew 10:34 ► Gospel of Thomas Saying 16 Jesus said: "Perhaps men think that I am come to cast peace upon the world; and they do not know that I am come to cast dissensions upon the earth, fire, sword, war. For there will be five who are in a house; three shall be against two and two against three, the father against the son and the son against the father, and they shall stand as solitaries." The statement attributed to Jesus "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" has been interpreted by some as a call to arms for Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

Don't be in a hurry. Truth is not cheap. Beyond the crucifix , lies the throne.

@egoless If you cling too much to Christianity, you will not be able to understand Jesus. Jesus was not a christian. Interpretation of Jesus's message by Christianity is hilarious.

Jesus said “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." ◄ Luke 14:26 ► Do you hate everyone and your own life or not ?

Unless you have an ego, how can you let it go. Your ego is dropped because you have it. If a child grows away from humans, he will not grow an ego. But he will not become enlightened , he will remain like an animal. The real can be known only through the false, so the ego is a must. One has to pass through it. A fish if never comes out of a sea , will never know that it lives in a sea, unless fish is separated from the sea once. You have an ego that makes us feel separate; so, there is possibility that you can become aware that 'you are consciousness'. Without ego you can never know what you are missing.

Thanks for your response. I am learning and listening !

How can we know that somebody is good looking on this forum ? Thread 'Let us see your face' was started on February 27, 2018, this year. How will you know that they are listening if they don't give opinion and advice ? You can ignore them. I wouldn't mind if you ignore my post.

If you seek happiness directly, you will be more and more unhappy. Enjoy the meditation in itself. Results will come, but only if you're not demanding, if you have great patience.

Osho is my only master, I don't listen or read anything else. Leo has banned me from quoting Osho, so I am writing on my own but Osho has possessed me already.

We have always lived imprisoned, somebody twenty years, somebody else thirty years, somebody even more. It may look uncomfortable to you, but for the man who has always lived in prison will start adapting to the situation.

Low self-esteem, addiction problem, depression, laziness, doesn't conform, trauma, phobia, heartbreak, acceptance problem, wanting more, lost of interest are obstacles on the path of meditation. Meditation is not for the suffering type. When you are in suffering you want to meditate, but when you are happy you don't even think about it. You are using meditation again as a new hope, as a new consolation. You are not really a meditator. You are using meditation also as medicine. It will give you some relief, but it cannot transform you to a state where ecstasy becomes your moment-to-moment experience. When you are suffering, meditation may help to bring you out of your suffering, but that is not much. When you are feeling a well-being, that is the moment to meditate. Spirituality is not a therapy. Therapies are for ill people. Therapies can help you to come to spirituality, but spirituality is not a therapy. Spirituality is for a higher order of health, a different type of being and wholeness. Then a Buddha is mentally unstable, then a Jesus is mentally unstable. Every mentally unstable person do not becomes interested in spirituality. Every person interested in spirituality is not mentally unstable. To help your energy rise and soar high you will need tremendous intelligence.

Calm, less-talkative and intelligent (preferably Spiritually enlightened)

I have heard that Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb don't appear anywhere in the Quran or any Hadith.

Jesus was born in Asian continent.

... but no woman has written a single religious scripture. How will you know if a woman becomes enlightened ?

Ramakrishna took up the position of officiating priest in a newly built Kali temple on the banks of the Ganges. People began to think that he was truly mad, for his behaviour became more and more unfitting for an orthodox Brahmin priest. He would offer prasad to Kali and then eat it himself. Anybody will find him delusional.

Do you think that path of meditation is easier for everyone ? Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was enlightened on the path of Bhakti (devotion) in nineteenth century. Those who have faith, those who can love, we can't give the advise to leave their faith and become a meditator.

Hindus believe that ordinarily when a person dies, it is only his physical body that dies, he and his mind do not die with the body. Ordinarily the mind of the dying person goes with him, and for a little while after death he retains all his memory of his previous life. It is like what happens with our dreams. After you wake up from sleep you remember your dreams for a little while. Slowly the memory of dreams begins to fade and by noontime it fades away completely. And by the evening you cannot say even a word about them. Although you dream in your sleep, in your unconscious state, yet on waking you can clearly recall a few fragments of your dreams, particularly the latter part of your last dream. It happens because in the latter part of your sleep you begin to wake up and you are only half asleep. You can remember the dreams fully or partly that visit you in your half-asleep and half-waking state. But even this memory does not last long; as hours pass it disappears. In the same way a man’s bodiless soul remembers its previous life, its friends and relatives for a little while after his death. And this memory is rather painful, because he cannot relate with them anymore. It is for this reason that we do a few things soon after someone close to us meets his death, so that he is relieved of the memories of his past associations and attachments. Now it is not good to carry them, because they are very painful. Hindus cremate the dead bodies of their relatives soon after their death; they try not to delay if it is avoidable. And it is significant. Cremation destroys all identity and attachment of the dead with their bodies, because they remember their past only through the medium of their dead bodies. The dead body serves as a bridge between the released soul and his past life. So cremation is in the interest of the departed souls. Soon after cremation or burial of a dead body the soul is gradually freed from its past memories and associations. It is like we gradually forget our dreams. It is on the reckoning of time taken by different kinds of souls that we have different death rites for our dead. Some people, particularly children take only three days to forget their past associations. Most others take thirteen days; so some communities in the East have thirteen-day long death rites. There are a few souls — souls with very powerful memories — who take a year’s time for this purpose. Because of them, some of our death rites are spread over a full year. Three to thirteen days are the general rule, and very few souls survive without bodies for a full year; most of them are reborn with new bodies within a short time. Just as one remembers his past for a while after death, so he does after his new birth too. A newborn child carries with him for a brief time the memories of his previous life as a spirit. But by and by this memory fades away and by the time he learns speaking it is completely lost. It is rare that a child remembers his past life even after he is articulate and able to communicate with others. He is called a freak of nature. He must have been a man of rare memory in his past existence.

@Ether He suffered unnecessarily , he realized his mistake. He relaxed, and new energy came upon him because of his relaxation. The girl, Sujata, felt that the deity of the tree had come to receive her homage. Had it been another day, Buddha could have refused. He would not rest in the night, he would not eat any food. But today he was totally relaxed. He took the food, and he slept. Buddha slept, and in the morning, at five o'clock, when the last star was withering away, he was out of the sleep. He saw the last star disappearing, with no mind, because when you have nothing to do there is no mind. He had come to that knowing to which he could not come through so many efforts.