Prabhaker

Who is Steven Norquist ? I agree him on this point, but everyone should meditate one hour everyday.

No

Jesus was near enlightenment while he was preaching his message, he attained enlightenment on the cross. he survived his crucifixion and moved to India (Kashmir) where he died at the age of 112.

Sorry, I was bit unconscious.

You must be doing something anti-meditative during period !

@abrakamowse The rabbis and the high priest of the temple of Jerusalem were trying to prove that Jesus was a fake. And he was trying to prove that "No, I am the true messiah--and at the last moment you will see, when God himself descends to save his only begotten son." And time started passing: he is nailed, he is crucified, he is waiting for the miracle. Nothing is happening, all expectations are turning sour. In that moment of agony he screams, "Why have you forsaken me?" But there is nobody to whom he is calling. There is nobody who has forsaken him. It is his own idea, it is his own projection, it is his own hallucination. This state is hysterical! But he is waiting up to the last moment. And when he says, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will," that is surrender; but not true, with reluctance, just a face-saving device. This is not the way of a surrendered man ! It seems that he and his father were separate till this moment.

Enlightenment has no function, it has no utility, it is not a means to some end. It is enough unto itself. It is such a contentment, such deep satisfaction with oneself and the cosmos, such a strong let-go, that you don’t have to do anything. Just being is more than you can have conceived – the joy of just being, the blissfulness of just being.

Inquire into your relationship with existence, and out of that inquiry, arises trust - not belief, not faith. Trust is not a decision on your part. You cannot decide for it. It is really a surrender. My convincing is not going to help.

Buddha left his kingdom, didn't earned money. If you have trust , existence takes care.

People already on the path are enough intelligent, internet forums and videos can't lead them astray.

What if he knows everything about enlightenment intellectually, but he is also not enlightened ? J. Krishnamurti was teaching everyone that no technique, no effort , no master is needed. He was enlightened still he was wrong. J. Krishnamurti was insisting his whole life that there is no technique for meditation. And the total result was not that millions of people attained to meditation; the total result was that millions of people became convinced that no technique is needed for meditation. But they forgot all about what they were going to do with the obstructions, the hindrances. So they remained intellectually convinced that no technique is needed.

@Rali Why do you quote anybody else when you are enlightened ? You have authority to say from your experience.

At least he's honest. There are people who know everything about enlightenment intellectually, pretend to be enlightened. Nobody can defeat them by logic They are logicians. Logician will always win. Winning by logic does'nt makes anyone enlightened.

Enlightenment is goal-less goal. It can't be attained by your efforts, chasing. It doesn't mean no efforts are needed, chasing is pointless. To achieve this point of no-effort you will need a long, long effort.

When enlightenment happens then there is nobody left to dig deeper.

@Kserkkj Osho said that “I don't speak to teach something; I speak to create something. These are not lectures; these are simply a device for you to become silent, because if you are told to become silent without making any effort you will find great difficulty.” " My words keep you awake, and just between the words I give you gaps. And those are the real, essential things. Waiting for another word, you have to listen to silence."

He will do (in fact existence will do through him) whatever is good for humanity. If he is a good teacher, he can spread his message with the help of money and technology. He can live like a king to set an example that one can do spiritual progress without torturing himself.

@bflare A drastic change in your lifestyle helps you to become enlightened. It doesn’t matter whether from the palace you move to the hut, or from the hut you move to the palace. A drastic change in your lifestyle brings the revelation easily, because it uproots you from your ground, it brings you to a totally new territory. You cannot remain the same, you have to change. Buddha was born a king. He got fed up with his palaces, with his richness, with his luxury; he became a beggar. In the middle of one night, he renounced his kingdom and went into the forest as a beggar. Someone can renounced poverty, and start living like an emperor. What is the difference? Just one difference is there: Buddha’s renunciation was simple, his renunciation is very difficult. To renounce a kingdom luxury and is a very simple phenomenon; you just get out of the palace and into the mountains. But to renounce poverty is not so easy, otherwise all have renounced it. It is difficult task. In your eyes, the kingdom is so valuable that it is amazing that a man would renounce something for which you have been hankering your whole life. The man is not respected for himself or his spirituality, he is respected for the money that he has left behind. You are still counting money, you are still looking at the bank balance. A spiritual person is not attached to things, what should he do then ? Throw all the things, start living nude and chew grass or commit suicide ? If a person is non attached , why will he even renounce a thing which he knows has no value, what's the point ? A spiritual person is detached to everything , but he can live any kind of life style which he finds appropriate to help others, it is just like a movie actor acting for a particular role. He can live like a beggar or he can live like a king.

@Xpansion Whenever someone begins meditation, he will become aware of many things of which he was not previously aware, and because of that awareness he will suffer. This is how things are, and one has to pass through them. So if you start meditation and you do not suffer, it means it is not meditation, but just a hypnosis. That means you are just drugging yourself. You are becoming more unconscious. With a real, authentic meditation you will suffer more, because you will become more aware. You will see the ugliness of your anger, you will feel the cruelty of your jealousy, you will now know the evidence of your behavior. Now, in every gesture, you will begin to feel where a hidden animal in you, and you will suffer. But this is how one grows. Growth is a painful birth. Anything that makes you more aware of your suffering, and which helps you encounter it without escaping, is religious. That is not escaping from any suffering, but remaining there and living with it with full awareness. If you do not escape, if you remain there with your suffering, one day suffering will disappear and you will have grown into more awareness. Suffering disappears in two ways. You become unconscious; then suffering disappears for you. But, really, suffering remains there. It cannot disappear. It remains there! Really, your consciousness has disappeared, so you cannot feel it, you cannot be aware of it. If you become more conscious, in the meantime you will have to suffer more. But accept suffering as a part of growth, as a part of training, as just a discipline, and then one day, when your consciousness has gone beyond your suffering, suffering will disappear not just for you – it will disappear objectively. Use suffering as a stepping-stone; do not escape from it. If you escape from it, you are escaping from your destiny, from the possibility of going beyond knowledge by using suffering as a device.

The Creative Mind: An Introduction to Metaphysics by Henri Bergson https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=k_YYAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Intuition

If you meditate long enough, deep enough, it is impossible for you to hurt anybody for food; it is impossible. It is not a question of argument, it is not a question of scriptures, it is not who says what, it is not a question of calculating that if you take vegetarian food you will become spiritual; it is automatic. The whole thing seems so absurd. Just for food, killing animals, birds, seems so absurd, it falls down. You can be a vegetarian and cruel to the extreme, and violent; you can be a non-vegetarian and kind and loving. In India there are communities who have lived totally with vegetarian food; many Brahmins have lived totally with vegetarian food, but they are not spiritual. I don’t take non-vegetarian food has nothing to do with religion, it is just pure aesthetics. I am not one who thinks that if you take non-vegetarian food you will not become enlightened. Jesus became enlightened, Mohammed became enlightened, Ramakrishna became enlightened — there has been no problem about it. Your humanity is at stake, not your super-humanity. Just to think that you are killing an animal to eat, just the very idea, is unaesthetic. I am not against it because the animal is killed… because that which is essential in the animal will live, it cannot be killed, and that which is nonessential, whether you kill it or not, is going to die. The question is not that you have killed the animal and killing is not good, no. The question is that you have killed the animal — you. Just to eat? While good vegetarian food is available? If vegetarian food is not available, that’s one thing. But the food is available. Then why? Then why destroy a body? And if you can kill an animal, then why not be a cannibal? What is wrong with killing a man? The meat derived from a human body will be more in tune with you. Why not start eating human beings? That too is a question of aesthetics. It has nothing to do with meditation. You can eat meat and you can meditate. You can eat meat and you can love. It has nothing to do with love either. But you will be showing one thing about yourself — that you are very crude, that you are very primitive, uncultured, uncivilized; that you don’t have any sense of how life should be.

@Aamir King Don't bent on giving lesson to others, it will create unnecessary distraction.

In modern era , only appropriate lesson to others is , grow spiritually while earning lot of money. It is very difficult task, but modern mind can't understand anything else.

Surrender is the quantum leap from mind to no-mind, from ego to egolessness. And in a single step the whole journey is contained. It is not a gradual phenomenon; it is not that slowly, slowly, gradually you come to the divine. It is a quantum leap! Ego is a state of blindness, of drunkenness, of dreaming. Just waking up is surrender. Either wake up and surrender happens, or surrender and you are awake. They are two sides of the same coin.

They will laugh at your stupidity. In Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)'s era, man was much simple and innocent. Modern man is very cunning and complex, nobody will understand you. Don't copy anybody. Live life in light of your own awareness.