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why does this guy keep popping up on this forum, he literally thinks a secret race of lizard people are ruling the planet.

oh god not this again

naked reality is the psychopath here lol. I might describe him as a zen devil myself, he literally does not care about anything, directly states it, and uses his philosophical understandings to escape reality and forward his run-of-the-mill egoic drives.

hahahahah he's posting david icke, this is great. prepare to bow down to our lizard overlords!

hahahah sure buddy. maybe it's exactly what you need right now looking at that huge ego-filled wall of excuses above me. I mean, "nothing matters", right? so what exactly is stopping you from making compassionate choices? maybe you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about just like the rest of us here and are simply inserting these "spiritual tidbits" into your belief system to excuse your egoic behavior patterns. Why can't anyone just say they don't give a fuck? what is all this egoic nonsense? That's as fine a reason as any, that you simply don't care. But no one will say that, the cognitive dissonance is just too much. You need to feed yourself justifications to align your actions with "good, moral behavior". Emerald explained it very well- "Do not use any sort of objective understanding of truth to lie to yourself. You're skirting around being aware of the destructiveness of these social patterns by emotionally hiding behind an abstract understanding of existential truth." Stop it. If someone wants to say they don't care, that's fine, but if you try to excuse away or ignore or belittle any part of the reality behind our animal agriculture industry, I am going to bring it right back to the forefront and throw that self-justification back at you. So you're in Moscow, yes? http://www.thenomadicvegan.com/vegan-in-russia-meet-victoria/ https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/more-beets-less-meat-as-vegans-take-moscow-47462 "A: Well, traditionally Russian cuisine is very vegan friendly. In the past, Russian peasants were mostly plant eaters, as they could not afford to eat meat often. Instead, they ate lots of grains, root vegetables, mushrooms, fruits and berries. But the Soviet times changed many traditions, including the cuisine. After the Second World War, the Soviet leaders followed the idea that people should eat meat every day to be strong and healthy, and tried to catch up with the US in meat consumption. The meat-eating propaganda was very powerful, and it’s still working. To answer the question, yes, most Russian dishes can be easily veganized. You can check out my blog post with Russian vegan recipes."

lol "my ego". I think you mean "statistics and scientific fact". I'll continue to comment with my opinions and speak up for those who can't because very few people are doing so. I am not making excuses for myself based on vague nonsense about "what might happen in 20 years". I am concerned with actions taken in the present moment. Isn't that supposed to be all that exists? Or wait, is that only when it's convenient for our human egos?

It is, all the statistics needed are very publicly available, you are choosing to ignore them. Nobody has said anything close to the sort, and in fact you are the one exaggerating and categorizing this off here. I'm just going to repeat- if you have anything of substance to actually contribute to a discussion around why veganism shouldn't be an ethical imperative for the standard person in modern society, then what is scary here is how easy it is for you to justify the killing of other sentient beings. Leo wants to talk being all-inclusive of the microbes in the grass? Then what the fuck are you doing singling out humans for?! How can you not see the blatant, hugely egoic error in your logic?! It seems shocking how easy it is to justify killing another human being yet it's perfectly ok to justify the systemic genocide of other perfectly sentient beings while simultaneously being the single greatest contributor to global warming and ecological destruction of our planet? All for what, your fucking palette preference?! Really, nothing here makes any sense whatsoever and is "shocking" you right now? Stop lying to yourself. Tell that to our children who'll be living in a world of fishless oceans.

Exactly. It really is not difficult to just do what we can. I can't believe Leo himself is deluding himself with this egoic nonsense. Microbes in the grass... christ this is no different than the "logic" of your run-of-the-mill ignorant fool doing no more than looking to make life just that much easier for himself at the expense of our world.

wow total legit conspiracy nut here. already knew that, though. this forum is a joke.

What?

Again with the completely unsubstantiated comments. If you have an issue with anything I've said then you can spit it out. Otherwise what are you doing.

hahah the exact response I expected. self-justification feels nice, doesn't it. don't use your spiritual practice to excuse egoic behavior patterns.

It is not arbitrary. Leo is a human. Leo should behave in simple, human ways that make the world a better place. This is not rocket science.

How nice and convenient you're able to categorize me off without saying or articulating anything of substance that responds to or contradicts anything I've said in any way. Pro tip- being honest with yourself leads to better discussions.

If you are unable to articulate how it goes deeper, then it does not. But whatever helps you sleep at night.

I hand you a puppy, a carrot, and a knife. I put a gun to your head and tell you to stab one of them. I assume that if you hold anything remotely resembling sanity you stab the carrot because you fucking understand that the suffering of the carrot is not comparable to the suffering of the puppy so please stop making a mockery out of their life and slaughter with this nonsense. You are the one putting your own egoic convenience above the very tangible actions we are all fully aware that you are able to take. If this comment was made with any sort of genuine, honest intention, you would realize that if you cared about the reduction of suffering in any form you would stop consuming animal products. But you don't care. You're just providing your ego with self-justification so you don't have to face what you are actually doing.

How can you so blatantly lie to yourself? It is escapism by definition- you are ignoring the ugly parts of the world and placing egoic convenience over the multitude of very tangible actions you can take right now.

This is escapism. Your local supermarket has everything you need, there is no impracticality here. Social justice movements start with singular people, or else nothing would ever happen. You need to ask yourself whether you want to be on the side of history that is responsible for the highest levels of death and destruction in our society or not.

what a nice convenient label of "egoic" you've attached there I see.

hahahahah man who do you think you're kidding here. it's obvious you have nothing of substance to actually talk about so, bye now!

Which I backed up with explanations. You need to include why you think these posts are nonsense self-justifications, or, well, they're not.

lol sure buddy. whatever helps ya sleep at night.

So really is all you're able to do is make snide remarks instead of actual discussion points? This isn't about me, this is about the ethics of veganism. Ad-hominems are meaningless.

No I do not. Maybe when you're ready to actually talk specifics about why this is so, like I have in all my previous comments, you can join the conversation. Until then, bugger off and keep your snide remarks to yourself.

NO. WE. WOULD. NOT. Yes, of course there is a bit of collateral damage that you must accept. This does not include contributing to the worst industry in existence when you can walk down to the supermarket and buy whatever the fuck you want! So there's this thing called "logical thinking". It allows us humans to operate in pretty efficient ways and make decent decisions, given our situation. So yes, there IS a line you are VERY well able to draw, but it appears that you would rather just say fuck everyone else, I prefer stimulation of my taste buds as opposed to the fucking destruction of our planet. YES IT IS AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS. WHY ARE YOU LITERALLY INVENTING EXCUSES FOR YOURSELF. Christ how many times have I heard the shitty 'but kids are dying of malaria in africa' bullshit. Please do not talk about being "spiritually purified" anymore.