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why does this guy keep popping up on this forum, he literally thinks a secret race of lizard people are ruling the planet.

oh god not this again

naked reality is the psychopath here lol. I might describe him as a zen devil myself, he literally does not care about anything, directly states it, and uses his philosophical understandings to escape reality and forward his run-of-the-mill egoic drives.

hahahahah he's posting david icke, this is great. prepare to bow down to our lizard overlords!

hahahah sure buddy. maybe it's exactly what you need right now looking at that huge ego-filled wall of excuses above me. I mean, "nothing matters", right? so what exactly is stopping you from making compassionate choices? maybe you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about just like the rest of us here and are simply inserting these "spiritual tidbits" into your belief system to excuse your egoic behavior patterns. Why can't anyone just say they don't give a fuck? what is all this egoic nonsense? That's as fine a reason as any, that you simply don't care. But no one will say that, the cognitive dissonance is just too much. You need to feed yourself justifications to align your actions with "good, moral behavior". Emerald explained it very well- "Do not use any sort of objective understanding of truth to lie to yourself. You're skirting around being aware of the destructiveness of these social patterns by emotionally hiding behind an abstract understanding of existential truth." Stop it. If someone wants to say they don't care, that's fine, but if you try to excuse away or ignore or belittle any part of the reality behind our animal agriculture industry, I am going to bring it right back to the forefront and throw that self-justification back at you. So you're in Moscow, yes? http://www.thenomadicvegan.com/vegan-in-russia-meet-victoria/ https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/more-beets-less-meat-as-vegans-take-moscow-47462 "A: Well, traditionally Russian cuisine is very vegan friendly. In the past, Russian peasants were mostly plant eaters, as they could not afford to eat meat often. Instead, they ate lots of grains, root vegetables, mushrooms, fruits and berries. But the Soviet times changed many traditions, including the cuisine. After the Second World War, the Soviet leaders followed the idea that people should eat meat every day to be strong and healthy, and tried to catch up with the US in meat consumption. The meat-eating propaganda was very powerful, and it’s still working. To answer the question, yes, most Russian dishes can be easily veganized. You can check out my blog post with Russian vegan recipes."

lol "my ego". I think you mean "statistics and scientific fact". I'll continue to comment with my opinions and speak up for those who can't because very few people are doing so. I am not making excuses for myself based on vague nonsense about "what might happen in 20 years". I am concerned with actions taken in the present moment. Isn't that supposed to be all that exists? Or wait, is that only when it's convenient for our human egos?

It is, all the statistics needed are very publicly available, you are choosing to ignore them. Nobody has said anything close to the sort, and in fact you are the one exaggerating and categorizing this off here. I'm just going to repeat- if you have anything of substance to actually contribute to a discussion around why veganism shouldn't be an ethical imperative for the standard person in modern society, then what is scary here is how easy it is for you to justify the killing of other sentient beings. Leo wants to talk being all-inclusive of the microbes in the grass? Then what the fuck are you doing singling out humans for?! How can you not see the blatant, hugely egoic error in your logic?! It seems shocking how easy it is to justify killing another human being yet it's perfectly ok to justify the systemic genocide of other perfectly sentient beings while simultaneously being the single greatest contributor to global warming and ecological destruction of our planet? All for what, your fucking palette preference?! Really, nothing here makes any sense whatsoever and is "shocking" you right now? Stop lying to yourself. Tell that to our children who'll be living in a world of fishless oceans.

Exactly. It really is not difficult to just do what we can. I can't believe Leo himself is deluding himself with this egoic nonsense. Microbes in the grass... christ this is no different than the "logic" of your run-of-the-mill ignorant fool doing no more than looking to make life just that much easier for himself at the expense of our world.

wow total legit conspiracy nut here. already knew that, though. this forum is a joke.

What?

Again with the completely unsubstantiated comments. If you have an issue with anything I've said then you can spit it out. Otherwise what are you doing.

hahah the exact response I expected. self-justification feels nice, doesn't it. don't use your spiritual practice to excuse egoic behavior patterns.

It is not arbitrary. Leo is a human. Leo should behave in simple, human ways that make the world a better place. This is not rocket science.

How nice and convenient you're able to categorize me off without saying or articulating anything of substance that responds to or contradicts anything I've said in any way. Pro tip- being honest with yourself leads to better discussions.

If you are unable to articulate how it goes deeper, then it does not. But whatever helps you sleep at night.