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@Outer You eat nutritional yeast?

@Maxvlad Hmm oatmeal is bad now too?

By having this as a goal will it make you work harder towards it or what? Seemed kinda strange when it's not in your control?

@Scholar I agree fully

Will not take the bait.

Why do you mention broccoli? Lol. I hear people do this quite a lot for some reason. If we take 100g dry red lentils for example it's around 24g protein. 100g of dry black beans = 22g protein. Tofu = 18g. Dry soybeans = 34g. Your gut can get used to eat more fiber if you build it up. Most people don't reach RDI I think. And you can go way beyond that. I eat quite a lot and I don't have a problem. I cured my IBS since I went vegan. My shits have reached perfection. Also depends on how well you rince and cook the beans/lentils etc to reduce gas. There's vegan protein powder also.

@Lorcan What's the benefits?

What do you wanna discuss?

@SgtPepper The poor guy has some serious mental issues and is a danger to himself and others who follows him. It's like he just always have to do and believe the opposite of common sense. The guy promotes sungazing. Believes the earth is flat. Got seriously sick because of his diet.

@Slade Don't have compassion for me. Have it for the animals. It's pretty sad to see people desperately defend their meat eating. Although some admit they have no excuse. It's not just about diet. You're supporting unnecessary abuse, slavery, rape and murder of animals. You admittet before that you like to play the devils advocate. Why? You really hate animals that much and wish them to suffer? But I'm absolutely sure you don't realize how much suffering there really is so I guess I can't really blame you. Few people do. I didn't know before either, before I researched it. I go to great length in these discussions with you because I think it's important to stand up and fight for the animals. They can't do it themselves. You say that veganism is bad but you don't really say specifically what's bad about it. You say it's lacking. But not of what. Now you say it's toxic. Exactly what is toxic? You pull things from your ass then I prove you wrong. You avoid it and change to something new . So selective. If people eat meat I'm not instantly going to attack them. But when they're spreading lies about veganism and act like it's justified to support animal abuse then I react. Again don't talk about what's natural or not or man made. It's not like all of the animals that exist now would exist without humans or that they would have the same size and taste etc. What are you trying to say with the picture? That some children eat raw meat? Of course they do. If I try to find pictures of children eating sand, or poo, or whatever, I can probably find it. Doesn't say anything about if that's what they actually prefer over anything else or if it's the natural instinct to choose that over other foods. Maybe they have no choice either. There's pictures on WHATEVER you'll google. Should I post a couple thousand children eating fruits? vegetables? potatoes? beans?... Yeah do whatever you want of course and eat meat I don't expect anything else. Fuck once again my post became longer than I was thinking I realize this doesn't lead anywhere and I hope in the future you can extend your compassion to animals. They are really innocent and helpless. They have traits just like dogs and cats and is VERY similar in many ways. They have friends. Likes to play. Cuddle and all that. They just happened to be born looking a different way. Unlucky.

@Slade Fuck I wasn't gonna answer but I feel like I have to call out bullshit when I see it. No I really don't think a child would want to eat raw flesh if you handed it to him. If he do it's probably a learned behavior. Not natural instinct. It would gladly choose a fruit instead. You we're talking about that we should trust our natural instincts more and yet you would only run after a pig if you were starving. Does going to a supermarket to buy meat sound more natural? Only reason you think it's so natural is because you have learned to like meat. If you were to choose between raw meat and fruit as a child before you learned it it's obvious what you'd choose. You say raw meat looks appealing because you remember how it taste like all the time you have cooked and eat it and make associations to it. I don't think if you are really honest here that you actually can admit you like the taste of raw meat. Forget sushi, tuna and fish eggs lol. What about the TASTE of RAW (and without salt and spices) cow, pig, chicken, lamb? It's not me who started talking about what's natural. I think it's kinda ridicilous but now that you brought it up I wonder why you contradict yourself. You're not a baby anymore! A baby that want's milk from it's mother is a bit different than an adult drinking from other species. The later part sounds natural to you? And yeah I'm sure it's important for a baby to be fed in an easy way. It doesn't have teeth either so. And if there's no food around, the baby will always have the breast milk. So I'm sure evolution took care of that part. If it's so natural why don't you still suck on your mommas tittes and nothing else? I'm gonna write my responses in blue here: Why am I even wasting time on trolls... I just think it's sad that some people actually believe what you say so I guess I'm trying to help them. Please stop spreading lies.

@Slade MAY lack. Of course you can be lacking in nutrients if you eat a bad monotous vegan diet. Just like you can lack if you eat a bad non-vegan diet. You can fail at any diet. That's why you don't just remove meat/dairy without adding other foods. Unless you already eat a lot of plants and stuff already.

@Slade Can you answer me what is lacking in a vegan diet?

@Ether Ok

What site are you reading on? lol http://www.liveinthemoment.org/session/ "UPDATE: I am not taking ANY clients right now. If you are looking for counseling, please send me an email (noah@liveinthemoment.org) explaining what you want help with, then I will refer you to someone else."

He'll be back. https://www.livingbeyondyourfears.com/noah-elkrief-thoughts-emotions-create-fear/ Here's a podcast with him from may 17, 2017. He talks about that he'll be releasing his 2nd book and start doing more videos and courses soon. I think he said that the book would be released in 1-2 months from the date of the podcast. He talks about it towards the end. I don't know why it's being so delayed, because the book is still not out. He writes on his homepage that he doesn't take any new clients, so maybe he is focusing more on the book etc now. Or not. Really weird that the book isn't out yet.

What is it the body needs that you can't get from plants? (except b12)

What about 100% whole wheat? What about wheat berries?

@Slade I could answer in detail and we would just go back and forth. You've made it clear you're against veganism and I don't feel this discussion is worth wasting energy on. I don't see it leading anywhere. Bye.

Oh god not this guy again Hard to take him seriously. For example in the last video you posted by him he claims that vitamin A and D will never be found in plants. A simple google search will tell otherwise.

And they also love ice cream, candy, soda etc. Some even eat dirt You saying science lie about how healthy broccoli is just for shits and giggles? Put an apple and a rabbit in front of a child and see what the instinctual behavior would be. I think eat the apple and play with the rabbit. The instinct of a child will be to play and be friend with the animals. Not to start salivate and put their teeth in it to rip its flesh out. Lets say we sliced a bit of flesh from an animal and handed it to the child, what would it do? Children love animals. Just look at the characters we see in movies and books that are for kids. If you trust you're natural instinct would you run after a pig and try to eat it? Do raw meat actually seems appealing or do you have to do all kinds of stuff with it before you wanna eat it? What about eating insects? I've heard they're quite nutritious. Better taste = healthier? Hmm..

@Slade

@Slade Even if plants actually do feel pain, then being vegan would still minimize the suffering of not only animals but plants too. Do you realize that by being vegan you would actually contribute to less suffering of plants too then? I can explain why if you don't. So if plants feel pain, what makes that an argument against veganism?

@alyra LOL