How to be wise

So I am reading the book ‘spiral dynamics’, and there they say that some countries like China have developed an ‘unhealthy’ form of strict blue. But what causes societies to develop ‘unhealthy’ memes? Is it because they haven’t resolved some of the lower stages?

@tsuki the book says that, for China to grow properly, they need to abandon their current ‘unhealthy’ blue and adopt a more ‘healthy’ blue. So clearly it is ‘unhealthy’ to them.

Or at least that is according to the book ‘spiral dynamics’ written by Don Beck and Christopher Cowan. For those of you who have the book, go to page 106 paragraph 4. It is saying that Donald Trump is a spiral wizard, who is cleverly leading the country up the spiral, and is helping the country.

@Prabhaker sweet christmas! There’s so many Indians that it’s not shocking you find such extreme ones. Trump is also firing them up because they are BLUE/PURPLE. Trump is ‘keeping them safe’ like one guy put it.

@Leo Gura In the book ‘spiral dynamics’, it says that blue and green are the most rigid of the stages. Should we expect the Scandinavian countries and maybe Canada to make it up to yellow anytime soon? How long would you give it?

@Leo Gura you once said that Scandinavian countries are very happy and they are stage green. But who is happier, green or yellow? Because you also said that one of the reasons that yellow goes to turquoise is because yellow suffers too much.

Looking at that pyramid, it’s hard to map out the stages of spiral dynamics with each segment of that pyramid. For example, the need for friendship, family and sexual intimacy sounds like a green need, but the need for self esteem and respect, which is on top, sounds more like an orange need. Plus, I don’t see where religion fits in the model. Religion comes from the fear of an afterlife. I don’t see it as fulfilling any need. Religious people can never become atheists after they fulfill some ‘need’. Otherwise it would be easy to convert religious people. What do you guys think?

@Leo-Tzu he’s standing. Can’t you tell by the way he moves around.

@Pernani it’s the same book ‘Loving What Is: 4 questions that will change your life’ If you’re interested in the results you will get from the work, read the book ‘a thousand names for joy’ where Katie just talks about her daily experience and the results that she got from the work. Personally, it was that book that motivated me to start doing The work.

@Leo Gura the subtitles you gave for the contemplation journal episode and the context episode in the iTunes podcast are the same.

@Pernani Loving What Is

@thehero what’s so hard about doing The Work? What are you struggling with?

In this podcast, Byron Katie helps people through problems in relationships that they have. These problems are probably the ones that you are facing right now, but you are stuck and don’t know how to go beyond those problems. An enlightened master helps people through those problems and heals their emotional wounds. Just listening to this podcast will most likely solve those problems for you as well. Enjoy.

@thehero most of the problems you could write about cover the same concepts that bother you. So just doing around four worksheets will already give you lots of peace and joy in your relationships. If you do this work for one year, you will achieve emotional mastery and unconditional love. You will live in joy and rapture for the rest of your life. No moment of negative emotion again. Powerful do you not think.

@Leo Gura Leo can you make a video about how to access infinite intelligence? It’s very important for us.

@SoonHei The self inquiry process in the book ‘Loving What Is’.

@MM1988 I’ve had many of them already. Physical illnesses like diarrhoea, extreme stomach aches and even a fever which came during my self inquiry practice. Of course I’ve had my episodes of extreme anxiety and anger which came up during or shortly after my self inquiry. I often experience severe leg pain and chest pain during the practice. I even had several instances where I experienced something that actually happened moments later. I remember once I woke up and went over to my iPad to check the time. Just before I clicked the iPad, I had a vivid image in my mind of ‘11:27’. Two seconds later I clicked it and that was the exact time. Another time I was on the street and I had a thought of somebody shouting ‘laa’. Five seconds later, somebody in the streets shouted exactly that. I’ve been doing the self inquiry for four months now.

So I’ve been doing The Work of Byron Katie for four months, and these days I get many glimpses of the absolute truth. For example, during one of my sits, I became conscious that only what I’m percieving right now is true. That means that the rest of the world doesn’t exist, because right now it’s only a belief, not in my direct experience. I also became conscious that even the room that I was looking at is not true, because that was just a belief too. I wasn’t actually looking at a room, I was only looking at a form of colours and shapes, and without my beliefs they meant nothing. In another of my sits I became conscious that I was awareness. Actually this experience happens many times when I do the work. I became conscious that I wasn’t the body, because I was only experiencing it as sight and feeling. That created a distance between me and my body. I became conscious that the world that I was experiencing this moment only comprised of sight, sound and sensation that I was experiencing. Pretty cool, do you not think, given that I’ve only been doing The Work for four months. A reason to consider taking up this practice.

@SoonHei that’s a belief. Whether the belief is true or not is up to you. But you need to distinguish between what is in your direct experience and what is a belief.

I have to add that I really don’t have any spiritual talents. I’ve done Leo’s self inquiry for three months and Kriya yoga for four months. The results I got from The Work is astronomically higher than the results that I got from all of those other practices combined. Do not overlook this gem called The Work!

What would happen to a stage red or blue person if they somehow received full emotional mastery and enters a constant state of bliss and joy. Hard to think they would carry on being a warlord or inforcing religion (now they no longer have fear of disobeying god). So how would that person start acting tomorrow. What stage would they be in? I know that Ken Wilber said in his interview with batgap that ‘waking up’ (enlightenment), ‘growing up’ (spiral dynamics) and ‘cleaning up’ (emotional mastery) where separate things and mostly unrelated. But when you think deeper, you can’t imagine a guy who is in constant bliss chasing money or attacking people. What stage would such a guy be in. What are your opinions?

@Leo Gura Ok, but hypothetically, if a tribe in Africa somehow received full emotional mastery this instant, how would they start acting? How would they start living?

@Cudin I’m not saying you shouldn’t play with animals. But your internal state, you must not have feelings of sorrow for animals. It’s delusion. Because animals don’t exist! Nonduality 101.

@Cudin Spiritual teachers have transcended feelings for animals. You should too.

Very influential Muslim speaker. He’s known to have converted many thousands of people to Islam.