How to be wise

@Outer Jed McKenna is far from enlightened. LOC 580. Quite shocking for me, given that his big time fan Mickey Mouse sounded quite enlightened.

Leo: “I’ll talk more about that in the future.” Lol that’s his favourite phrase.

@Revamped most likely it’s because you have an emotional issue that’s avoiding you to open yourself up to love. It could be something like social anxiety or social repression. Something along those lines. Do some emotional work first.

@K VIL Lol Byron Katie is fully self-actualized why would she need this forum. I myself feel like I will outgrow actualized.org very soon. The only vision I see that he gives are enlightenment, emotional mastery, no mind, integration of non duality into daily life and life purpose. I now know how to achieve all of them and am currently working towards them. If he doesn’t reveal anything new soon, I will no longer have any need for this website. Although it has been a very useful stepping stone, I must now find a higher vision, or at least a more supportive website of the above goals I mentioned. I guess we’ll see what happens...

Teal Swan seems to be a very clear person. Everything in this world is perfect the way it is. Of course including racism and slavery.

If I think that somebody else needs help, I need to turn that around: ‘I need help’. Whenever I think that somebody else needs help, in that moment I need help.

@Sahil Pandit Yes. Also loving unkindness.

@Sahil Pandit I don’t know why people fuss over this topic of body/mind tension so much. There is one technique that can cure ALL of that shit, and can take you to enlightenment at the same time. The Work of Byron Katie. I doubt any of this PALO crap ? (or any other technique for that matter) can take you nearly as far.

@LaraGreenbridge As Leo says, 1% theory, 99% application. Going to satsangs counts as theory. The only true satsang is within. Application, is only the self inquiry practice. When you sit down, close your eyes and inquire. Although meditation can be counted as practice, unfortunately I’ve heard too many stories of people meditating for decades and not going anywhere. Rick Archer, the interviewer for Batgap, has been doing transcendental meditation for 25 years, teaching and everything, and he is not enlightened AT ALL. Not even ‘no self’. Leo has been meditating for five years and he’s still basically nowhere (I mean his baseline consciousness). The way forward is inquiry/investigation. Everything else is theory.

@Nahm Less talking, more doing my friend. Talking about non-duality is easy. Actually working towards it is a whole other thing. I have a rigid practice of 90 mins a day for the last four months. I’ve had many changes in my conciousness since. What I found is that the more I practice, the less I want to talk about non-duality. Do you have a rigid practice? How many hours a day? What is your current progress?

@Lynnel The Work of Byron Katie.

@Silvester all you have to do is fill in a judge your neighbour worksheet. It can actually be quite pleasurable filling it in. It’s in her book ‘Loving What Is’, which again is a must-read.

@Silvester Yes, of course. It’s a very strong shadow work process, but will also take you to enlightenment, because The Work is about unattaching from your long held beliefs. I recommend you buy the book ‘Loving What Is’ before you start, and also listen to the following audios: There’s a lot to learn about the process. If you want to see the progress of a friend of mine on The Work, here it is:

@Leo Gura it’s shoking how Plotinus, whose biography you recommended in the book list, is only at LOC 674. What is all that absolute, nothingness crap you mentioned in the booklist under his book ?. He’s only at the level of no self.

@Rilles No. Meditation will not purge your shit! There have been many people who have meditated for decades and were still raging inside. You can’t just quiet your mind. It has been tried and tested by hundreds of people. It’s a dead end. You need to investigate the thoughts that are causing your suffering. Inquiry, not meditation. That is the only way to let them go. Check out The Work of Byron Katie for more on that.

@Leo Gura What LOC would you characterise yourself in for your baseline conciousness? I mean, you’ve been meditating and self-inquiring for close to five years. If you haven’t reached 600s yet, then what does that say about those techniques?

@Good-boy the person in my photo is Byron Katie. I do her ‘Work’.

@Oliver Saavedra but it’s possible to live through purely the absolute truths. Imagine how sweet your life would be if you only immersed yourself in the absolute, and let your heart take over the relative illusion of maya.

I am reading the book ‘1000’ by Ramaji. But when you look at the amount of enlightened people he rated (with exact numbers, eg 734 and 856), it makes you doubt whether this book is actually real or not. I mean, how can you give them exact numbers. He gave people like Muhammad and Lao-tzu 1000, but how can you be sure? All we have of those people are stories and books. Who here believes that this book is actually real? If so, explain how he gave those ratings.

This video felt like a fight between two enlightened beings and their metaphysics. Who do you think had the higher understanding of reality?

@Leo Gura but the fact you read it on the article means she was caught

@Leo Gura have you had any enlightenment experiences from your Kriya yoga practice yet? If not, how long do you think it will take you?

@SoonHei let’s face it. In your life time, you will probably never find out about your pets feelings and whether or not it is enlightened. Just let it go. Turn the focus over to yourself and ask yourself those questions. If you want your cat to become enlightened, turn the focus to yourself: ‘I want to get enlightened’. Now that’s possible. The former one, not so much. @DecemberFlower well, what are you waiting for then. Clearly you don’t have the time to be worrying about animals. When it comes to your own self-realisation, you need to be selfish with it. Worry about yourself first.

@Nexeternity wouldn’t it be nicer if you could turn off all your negative emotions. That’s something you can do. As for the physical pain, it will feel a lot better if you didn’t have any negative emotions in your life. So now you know what to work on.

@DecemberFlower we can never know that my friend. But are you enlightened? That’s something you can know and work on.