How to be wise

What I see is a bunch of people chasing happiness. That’s good. The problem is, happiness is not achieved through material goods, or shallow inner work. Paradoxically, to attain true happiness, one needs to do the laborious work of melting your identity. That won’t look like fun, which is why most people don’t do it. One example that Sadhguru frequently gives is the analogy of planting a mango tree. If you want mango, how do you get it? Some people will decide to sit down and think about mangos until they come. Well, they won’t. Other people, more wisely, will take care of the soil, manure, water and sunlight. None of these things look like mangos, but if you take care of them, mangos will inevitably arrive. Same thing with happiness. The process of acquiring happiness, and the result of happiness are two very different (often opposite) things. But anyway, this festival is way better than what the vast majority of the people on this planet are doing. So congrats to them.

God forced me to drop out of university. I was only in university for myself. Not a good enough reason.

I’m not saying that isn’t the case. I’m just giving reasons why the statement “what you put out is what you get back” may not be true.

True that the law isn’t saying that an accident won’t befall you. But I’m saying, what if the accident befalls you straight after you put in all the work, before seeing any significant “return in investment.”

@Leo Gura Can you address my earlier post.

Really? I mean, I agree with the first three, but can you really know if number 4 is true? I’m not denying it, but couldn’t it be the case that somebody really helps out a community and changes their life for the better, only to get killed by some thieves in the street. He certainly put out a lot, but what did he get back in return?

I’m not talking about enlightenment. I’m talking about a permanent state of unconditional love. The two are very different. If someone achieves unconditional love, then by definition they love everything. Nothing can hurt them internally, because they love everything. They love all traditions (even though they may focus on their own) and they love all people. I’m sure that some yogis had achieved this state a long time ago. I don’t see how such people can be in stage Blue.

But a defining character of Blue is that he gets triggered internally when his community is attacked. Yet unconditional love means that nothing that happens in reality can make you feel uncomfortable. You love all of reality. If someone is in that state, then to call him Blue is a bit too much.

But unconditional love, by its definition, means that your circle of concern has lost its boundaries. Total possession by God. I don’t see how someone could be in stage Blue at the same time.

Many yogis have achieved a state of unconditional love in the past. What stage of development is that, on Spiral Dynamics?

I heard Sadhguru once talking about how he is able to initiate a few tasks to his mind, and they will run by themselves. Well, this is exactly how achieving emotional mastery will work. I did The Work of Byron Katie for two years, and last month, God told me to stop doing The Work. Because a process had started in my mind which is dissolving the ego on its own. This is the final step of achieving emotional mastery. Byron Katie talks about this final stride and she calls it ‘The Work waking up inside of you.’ It’s basically when you can stop all spiritual work, because the mind is dissolving the ego on its own, and it will not stop for anything. The ego is still there, but it’s being dissolved automatically by the mind.

Leo said it as a joke in the video ‘paranormal phenomena.’ At 1:01:57.

It’s been two years dude. Give it up!

I think we should trust Beck and Cowen more than ourselves. The 90s was their time after all. Plus, I highly doubt that Beck would mistake a Yellow person for Blue.

According to the book Spiral Dynamics, Perot was stage BLUE, lower than both Bush and Clinton. If you have the book, read about him on page 127, fourth paragraph.

If the self is an illusion, then who is doing the self inquiry to realise that the self is an illusion? If you deny the self, then exactly what will experience the truth that the self isn’t real? Both of these objections comes from somebody who was criticising the idea that the self is an illusion, which is extremely popular in spirituality.

I agree with you, but just an interesting fact, I’ve heard Sadhguru supporting the death penalty of criminals.

@Leo Gura When is your video coming?

@Leo Gura “Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change what is within themselves.” Quran.

My problem with all this politics talk is that it is extremely unpractical. Most of us here will never be able to influence the government. Sure we can vote, but what difference will just one vote make. I would be interested in politics if I could make some difference to the government. But that’s highly unlikely. Just getting inside the ‘political battlefield’ is already hard enough. Can you please talk about the relevancy of politics to us ordinary citizens. We might be able to influence a large number of people, but it probably won’t be in the government sector.

An Indian Christian? Quite rare I would say. Notice that your religion was brought to you by your former occupiers the British. Don’t identify with it too much.

But to ask ‘why’ is assuming that reality could’ve been some other way, which is just a fantasy. For me, the reason ‘why reality is precisely the way it is,’ is because any alternatives to this reality is just your fantasy.

The irony!

The problem with asking ‘why is reality precisely the way it is’ is that this question is coming from the mind. There’s nothing wrong with the mind, but the mind is less than reality. More precisely, the mind is a subset of reality. Because you can be in a no-mind state where the mind disappears and reality remains. And pure reality (without the mind) cannot ask ‘why’. It just is. There are no questions. And this is the ultimate truth.

It’s interesting that the brain actually affects the body quite radically. Byron Katie said that shortly after her experience, there was a period of 27 days where she never ate or drank anything. She said it was because of her ‘radical state of mind.’