Matthew Lamot

Rupert Spira Jean Klein Greg Goode James Swartz Ramana David Godman (not strictly a teacher but is a very friendly guy and accepts emails from anybody interested in Ramana's Self Inquiry inquiry technique and is a recognized authority on his teachings) Swami Chimayananda Don't bother with the Western Q & A style Satsang, it is nothing more than entertainment in my opinion - anybody with a "ji" on the end of their name, even Papaji, even though he was Self Realized he never taught a person in his life, it was just woo woo transmission and ripped off from Ramana's highest teaching for the most advanced students who were naturally sattvic and burned most of their vasanas. Papaji was one of those sattvic students, but he turned the teaching of silence into a method that I think he imagined everybody was capable of accepting (which is not actually the case!)

Self Realization is permanent, if you do it properly and have a thorough understanding of what it is. You cannot lose if you are serious enough.

OK, I will list the teachings I have shared here. 1) Enlightenment is not an experience, it is not even Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Self - Realization is knowledge. Knowledge is when the entire bodymind knows truth. Most "awakened" people are only aware of a cognitive realization. This is still the ego, despite 'beliefs' of non-duality. This is the major distinction between actual Self-Realization and what is being taught by the likes of Mooji, Jed Mackenna, Tony Parsons et all. 2) Karma Yoga - The jiva (person) is not responsible for his results. The field (the environment) is responsible for his results. This teaching when understood chops off a vasanas called "worry" "manipulation" and many more, because the person is not "thinking" about the results. He is not outcome dependent. That is karma yoga. 3) Vasanas - the subconscious 4) Self inquiry - Letting the I thought rest in the Self. This means putting attention onto the screen rather than any object and holding it there. You can do this while doing normal things like work. 5) Being normal. Allowing the jiva his natural tendencies and letting the Self do the purification and dissolution of delusion by itself. The jiva cannot do anything about it's mental illness. 6) Being responsible. Even though the jiva is not real, the relative domain must be aknowledged fully until full Self-Realization. S.R. is not a rationalization, an experience, or an event and it cannot be spoken of or made into a belief like the Neo Advaita crew try to teach. 7) The critique on false teachings is a teaching itself. It is designed to blow a vasana that makes the person think all the time about obtaining extra knowlege or insight from others. 8) Desire - do not make desire the enemy. Desire, intense desire for liberation is what ultimately leads to S.R. The desire must be the "right" desire, and not the desire to get involved with the illusion, but a desire to rest as the Self. Renunciation. 9) Non-duality and duality differentiation. Duality is the jivas experience, so experience must be respected and not denied, ever. Non duality, the teaching that what you see in front of you is your own thoughts, your own consciousness. But because this goes against mundane experience we need to be even more careful of ignoring duality. The Self's POV must be contemplated on deeply using the right sources for this particular non-dual path and not be mixed with other teachings that will confuse the jiva. 10) Hunt down, get involved with a Self-Realized and fully credible teacher versed in traditional Veda because if you don't then you will buy into the strawmen that the New Age have put up against the traditions. Neo Advaita and Boomeritis Buddhism and shit like crazy wisdom teachings are all gigantic straw-men arguments and sub-traditions that are incomplete and a waste of time. You need the teachers guidance when these strawmen are put up against your path.

There is enough information here to get people going, trust me. You cannot see it, because youre more interested in a vasana called lets have a go at dogamtic religious people. You must burn off a serious amount of karma (again with looking and seeking and learning from your mistakes until Advaita finds you for real) before you can even conceptualize the teaching. Maybe you dont see it because you cannot read between the lines? I dont know. Maybe you need Mooji? You have had the whole complete karma yoga teaching about 4 times already on this thread. You just cant see it.

Thats right. I have been consistent. You personally, looking at your behaviour I will not co operate with . Those mature and ready students I spot a mile away, and will bend over backward to help. Remember, Im a jiva, not a saint.

@electroBeam And like I said, I dont give two hoots about your liberation. You are not ready, you cannot have a normal conversation without giving a person grief about their attitude, you want it all on a silver plate, you prove yourself to be dogmatic and you miss the teaching right in front of your eyes, the conversation is the teaching. There is more, but you must do the work to go after it. What, am I your mother? lol Grow up

@electroBeam 3 people have already approached me by private message. One of them asked me to evaluate his state experience and I told him what it was. He rejected the idea so I knew he was not serious by his combative tone. The other two are getting a shit load of information from me about my take on it. Plus links, plus other bits and bobs of info. I don't work hard for arseholes, I work hard for people who want to have a civil and interested conversation. Do the dirty work yourself and look at the sources I've posted here.

You are saying your ideas about enlightenment are yours? Yes they are, thats the problem. That is New Age thinking, because experiences dont get you enlightened. Teachings (real teachings), Self Inquiry and contemplation get you Self Realized.. And a burning desire to find the truth also. Which you dont have.

No he doesnt. This is what Im saying. He is offering an experience. Not the real teachings. Find out what the real teachings are and you will get to Self Realization. But maybe not you, you have a long way to go before youre ready for Advaita I feel. You cant even read a post for heavens sake! How the hell are you going to become Self-Realized leaning all the teachings while you cant even read what I'm saying here? lol

Im not enlightened. That assumption is in your mind. Its OK though, thats karma. Its called vasanas that make you project your own subconscious into your apparent world. There, there is a little teaching just for you. But there is more if you can be bothered to look at my posting history and even read the links I posted. Clicking on the link makes you enter a world where you can search for yourself who these teachers are and what they can do. I'm the messenger. But to make it easy for you I have already - Given you the ultimate guide to Self Inquiry. I posted it on this forum. I have given you names of real teachers who can help you Most importantly I have told you that your teachings are nonsense. Before you learn something new you have to let go of the old. I appreciate this is hard to do because you have been picking up beliefs on here from teachings that dont mean anything and never will. Open mindedness is about doing this, dropping what does not work and trying something else that does. This is about as lowest common denominator I can make it for anybody. It really is not hard to grasp

Your words show me you know nothing of the correct non dual teachings. If you did you would be listening, even supporting what I say. You disclosed your own ignorance, not me. But its ok, because I can use your ignorance to back up my statements here. Its a win win

I'm actually quite enjoying this, because it gives me the opportunity to slay more bullshit being taught here. Can you even read? You are not one bit interested in finding out knowledge that will help you because you have not read a word I've said. I said repeatedly that if you want to create a 3 Michelin Star meal you use the right materials. If you want a Big Mac you go to macdonnalds. There is not room for liberalist fairness and equality of ideas. That comes after self realization. First in order to do that you need teachings that wont cause you to believe, but will destroy your delusions. You dont have those teachings. This is a really simple formula. There is no equality in the jivas relative realm. If the jiva wants to grow into a hypocrite that thinks it has the absolute belief that there is no absolutes, that may look like liberation, but it isnt. Its a fucking New Age disease of the mind. The equality is of the Self. You cannot borrow ideas from the Self willy nilly in a random eclectic way pretending that all paths are the same paths and a mixture of those paths mixed in with a few opinions on an internet forum will bring you liberation. Take some time, contemplate what Im saying and read James Swartz. Like I say, the solution is simple

Worm. You asked me to evaluate your state experience for you. I did it, I told you that emptiness is not nirvikalpa samadhi. Emptiness is the 7th jana, NKS is the 8th. Self - Realization is neither. You wanted to push that onto me after I told you that you are misinformed. There is nothing personal about it, I'm pointing out the stupidity of the New Age movement, not your own jivas karma. However, I did point to the jivas karma to make a point that it's not your fault, the jiva is the jiva, and that is that.

So if you never read a book, never experienced nirvikalpa samadhi and take your sources from Leo's videos, then what do you know about enlightenment? How do you know words and labels and dogma are the antethisis of enlightenment? Because you took on the belief from Leos videos, and now you believe that what you think is true. Yet another blinding contradiction. The thing about you and people like worm is youre too busy swallowing concepts that mean nothing and then arguing with people who dont seem to embody those concepts. So how is this going to free you from bullshit? You already swallowed a bullshit teaching, and its CREATED a vasnana about non dogmatism. See where you guys are going wrong with this? All youre doing is creating vasanas by assimilating teachings that dont make you enlightened, but only give you tasters. Tasters that you will chase for the rest of your life. This is the essence of Satsang with Mooji et all. It complete nonsense that does not cause liberation, but keeps you in bonadge. If i was to sit here for the rest of my life and try to dismiss every thought, i would still not become enlightened. All youre doing there is opening yourself to things that could harm you. You become open minded and gulliable and take on statements like the one you and worm are making that clearly have no grounding in reality. This is the problem with New Age "experiential" Satsang.

I'm going to point out another delusion you believe in that has nothing to do with true non dual teaching. Where this comes from I dont know. But if you want to truly have a strict no BS policy, you need to get rid of these ideas and look for the true teachings of non duality. Non duality means "truth". Its the truth. This means it is not an "experience" of non duality. It means weeding out all the lies from the mind which destroys the binding vasanas. So true non dual teachings ARE the ultimate no bullshit path. Thats what Advaita means, its literally means NO BULLSHIT! So when you say that the jiva (relative self) must learn to accept others, this is a fallacy. It is a fallacy because it is not part of the teaching. Its true that in reality there is no hate, but you cannot give the POV of the Self over to the Jiva to make a belief out of. That is not how it works. How it works is we respect the relative realm and give the jiva Self Inquiry and teachings to Realize the Self. So all your talk of "God" and loving thy neighbour is not a correct teaching. Its nothing more than a pious platitude that makes the illusion slightly more palatable. It aint truth though!

Ive just pointed you to a dogmatic false belief you hold. You ho,d it because you have not thought through your own rational thinking. This is not your fault. Because you are a jiva like the rest of us, and you have karama that you need to burn before you can even develop the congizant capacity to recognize your own foolishness. So, find the correct teaching and you will free yourself from this vasana that binds you to this.

What does this mean? Who told you this? It doesnt even make logical sense. Youre saying that dogma is wrong religion is wrong. Yet by saying that you are also sayng you have the right perspective. So youre lying to yourself and dont know it. This is not your fault, its because you dont understand the difference between the Self POV and the jivas POV. I will repeat, in the relative domain there are things that are right, and there are things that are wrong. If I want to know non duality then I must reject orthodox thought. This is obvious, and needed. What youre trying to do is say that you have the ultimate perspective because you believe that no perspective is ultimately true, This is called a perfomative contradiction. It is the disease of the New Age thought. I hope youre learning something from this I

What does this even mean? This is not a non dual teaching. This is a New Age expression of a Samadhi experience that a Neo-Advaita teacher assumed would make a good teaching. Words and labels have nothing to do with it. The ego cannot experience enlightenment, but this is wht this teaching is pointing to. That words have some kind of block to Realizing the Self. To Realize the Self you must contemplate "words". The right words. And you must also put the I thought on the Self. Youre speaking about some Buddhist thing that let's the ego have a peek into expanded human consciousness. This is nothing to do with Advaita. But you dont know this, because you just blindly follow people on here who parrot this nonsense. Enlightenment is knowledge. Not an experience. You can think and still be enlightened. You can still use words and be enlightened. You can still have beliefs and be enlightened. Because words, beliefs, thoughts are aspects of duality. Keep them in the non duality aspect of duality. Realization is you are not this body and mind. Throwing out words has nothing to do with it. It is about liberating consciousness from the binding vasanas. This is where your ignorance shows itself unfortunately (And this is is not personal to you, its about the culture that New Ageism creates)

Have you been asleep the last 48 hours? Ive posted the ultimate guide on Self inquiry (a technique) Ive given practical advice to someone who is stuck Ive told you that your teachings are nonsesne Ive given you links to the teachings and the teachers and the sub culture of real teachers out there. What more do you want ?

Well electrobeam. Again youre assuming that you should listen to me. Dont trust my experience. Look at the people who do have experience. I have posted the links to the real sources and if you investigate rather those you can make your own mind up. Id rather you didnt believe me. Id rather you got off your bum and take a look at the link and read it before arguing anymore on here. I see what youre doing, youre young, and dogmatic, and out to slay the world of all the dogmatic cunts in it lol And you will practice your dogma of non dogma until im worn out, rather than just simply going to the fucking links and having a quick peek. How do I know your mind games? Experience, not belief, i met a million people like you, all distracting themselves from the real work and trying to hold me accountable for the fact they cant be arsed to take a look at a new source of info. If you knew karma yoga, which is an etxtremely effective path to enlightenment then you would not even be imagining you can hold me accountable for my results. Im accountable for my actions, the results belong to the field. Thats all we can do. Now, if you want to learn these things go read the links and take your wandering I thought off me and put it on the Self. No? You prefer to come on here talking about ideas you heard at Satsang with Mooji and get pissed off at dogmatic people who can actually point you towards real tools. Youre a dreamer, but I post responses so I can negate you. Not because I give a fuck about you, or your liberation. Someone will read this and say "fuck me, he might have a point". Those mature and sincere students are few and far between, but they are around.

The difference between me and a dogmatic fundamentalist is that dogmatic fundamentalists have beliefs. Beliefs are an assumption of knowledge. Now, i have not assumed Adavita Vedanta in its traditional form is knowledge. I KNOW its knowledge, because it works. Advaita means non dual. Non duality is the one true statement that is true for everyone. Everyone is God, whether they know it or not. So non dual is truth, not orthodox religion. So any Advaita path from a religion is the truth. But make sure you get the real Advaita teaching from the religion, otherwise you are on a road to nowhere. Dont listen to me, I'm saying question the Neo Advaita and New Age teachings. Look for credible sources that point out the flaws in the New Age thought. Thats what Im suggesting. Or dont, I dont care. Im not attached to the result.

Your words here tell me you know nothing about the dissolution of vasana and karma yoga. You are trying to hold me accountable for my results. That is delusion 101. I am not accountable for the fact you cannot be arsed to read the content of my offering and instead go on a rampage about the adudacity of my dogmaticness. Im not dogmatic. Thats why I know the real teachings. Because I was open minded enuf to seek the real education. Dogmatic people argue about the audacity of dogma and throw bullshit at forms of their own subconscious when they see a form that might fit their disowned quality of being dogmaitc about being non dogmatic. This is not fun to watch That is what you are doing, sorry, but it it.

I have given you an ultimate guide to self inquiry, with about tn videos attached. I also helped somebody practically with self inquiry and they returned with feedback. I also said the only theory one needs to know is non dual teachings. Whats this crap about my beliefs. Read what Im saying. It is learned experience of finding out that New Ageism wont do the job. Take all the hate out of it, and look at the words Im saying. There is Gold in it. The emotions are not inherent in my words, they are inherent in your mind, its is you who is making this wrong based on an assumption about me, rather than critiquing my work. That not your fault, you dont know because you have not had the right education to spot it. All you have is "ego" and "dogma" and you see that and miss the objective content. Would you like to learn? Check out Swartz, he will tell you that you are missing a huge chunk of the content

These are not beliefs. Experience is not a belief, and experience is the burning away of karma. Let me draw an analogy. If you are looking to create a Michelin Star meal, would you ask Ronald MacDonnald for a recipe? You would, then you would find that Ronald MacDonald hasnt got the answer. That is learning if you learn from it. If you dont then youre a fool. This is still relative existence, so there is still a Jiva and he is still seeking. Dont mix an "empty mind" with Enlightnment. Enlightenment is not the loss of the mind or its world experience or the loss of the ego. Enlightenment is knowledge. What you are seeing here is your own ignorance and inability to question the apparent teachings you are being taught. That is not your fault, it is your karma and your vasanas making you do it. My results belong to God. Not the jiva or the Self, but the environment. Thats karma yoga. I can try to make a point, but freedom is not about resting on laurels, its about making points but not being attacjed to outcome. I will answer your questions or insults or attacks, but this does not mean im attached. There is real teaching number 1. Did you know that? No. What you know is some crap about being egotistical lol You actually have no knowledge base with to come at me, because you dont know the real teaching. You know the false nonsense, and if people dont abide by that nonsense they are "egotistical" lol Anyway, open your mind, or dont. It does not matter. Remember I am here because there ARE people willing to investigate the crap and look for the real teachings. Those will be far and few on a forum like this

For those who are interested in another POV about Neo-Advaita and New Ageism, an educated perspective on how its actually doesn't work and that it is a contradictory and delusional system here is an article by James Swartz http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/james_swartz/neoAdvaita.htm Or, just stick reading your New Age books and visiting Satsang. The choice is ultimately yours, but I'm speaking to a wider audience here and I thank you @Leo Gura for allowing critique on your forum. I know it is hard when people come along and have questions about the teachers you and your mod team hold in high esteem, but I suspect that you will get something from this too.