Outer

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  1. Who you are, where you're from, who others are from, are stories. You're ultimately the ineffable. That thought arise in your mind, that they are cucks or soyboys, let it. That is what letting go is. In the brain there's the Default Mode Network which probably evolved around 100K years ago in our species in Africa, it was so we could co-operate in large numbers, by the mechanism of shared stories, like "race", "gods", "religions" "states" "companies". and the "i/me/ego" to have different of these stories in a whole bundle. This network is mostly active when you're daydreaming or when you're actively doing for instance an autobiographical task or trying to understand a story. Long-term meditation practitioners, for instance, deactivate this to some extent, psychedelics users deactivate it temporarily. Psychedelics has also shown to increase liberalism and decrease authoritarianism as you become more connected to nature. A mystical experience induced by psychedelics also is proven to increase Openness which is the creativity domain by a significant amount, this trait is higher in liberals on average. Green is ultimately postmodern, which is beyond stories. However if you want to evolve towards Yellow you shouldn't give up Individualism so you can evolve into Individual Collectivism. Humans are a social species, but it's the individual that should have the emphasis, it's the group that's subordinate to the individual. Some of the points of Greens are actually Red/Blue tribalism, or based on Red/Blue beliefs. This is why you might have a hard time accepting them, as its just like the alt-right in the tribal way or collectivism way of thinking.
  2. Great talk by Dr. Carhart-Harris. Introduction at 38:00 and starts shortly after.
  3. That's interesting. @Erlend K Thanks.
  4. Fake news is a large part of division into Red/Blue. Objective based reporting isn't much of a thing anymore. Just wait until Scar comes in the thread and says there's nothing objective.
  5. I think you should read this quote: "Until Yellow, there is a HUGE amount of ego attachment to the value system, meaning Blue, Orange, and Green love nothing more than nitpicking and shitslinging each other."
  6. Manipulating the economic and social system is corruption in my eyes. If you think the Pareto principle is only due to economic and social manipulation you don't know that our systems is founded upon competence. That's essentially how Universities recruit people. Based on competence. 70-30 is very close to the Pareto principle.
  7. "Until Yellow, there is a HUGE amount of ego attachment to the value system, meaning Blue, Orange, and Green love nothing more than nitpicking and shitslinging each other." This thread. Move to Yellow guys.
  8. But you did abandon Orange individualism if you embrace "Green" collectivism and identity politics. (which is more like tribal Red) You won't move to Collective Individualism (Stage Yellow) without it.
  9. I only learn about Spiral Dynamics from writing to you and reading on the forum, and I realized that the problem with moving to Green is not green itself, but abandoning certain values from Orange but not other stages. For instance abandoning Individualism by moving to Green in favor of collectivism won't ever move you up to Yellow. In truth of postmodern Green you should abandon collectivism and identity politics, and technically Individualism too. So you abandon collectivism at Blue, to gain Individualism at Orange, and then you abandon both at Green OR not Individualism to move towards Yellow. I have a problem with Green collectivism which is actually more like a Red / Blue value that won't move you to Yellow Individual Collectivism, which is what Jordan speaks of. That the group is subordinate to the Individual, that the group consists of individuals. That humans are a social animal, but that we should not organize around groups but around the individual IN the group.
  10. Here's some more. https://i.imgur.com/JTnEXJZ.jpg
  11. Which is YouTube comments as usual. 1% or less people comment. Just look at anyone's comments on YouTube. Here's what the Alt-Right thinks of J.P.
  12. Not in the traditional word of 'create', it emerges alongside with brain processes and the relationship between consciousness and the brain is circular. It's not casually created by the brain. Linear: brain -> consciousness Circular: brain -O- consciousness
  13. All he wants is not another Communist Russia or Nazi Germany. It's by staying at Orange if I use SD, not by going back to Blue. Moving to Green must include traditional Green values like FS vs. the state and other liberal ideas. Otherwise it's just a descent. They have some more ignorant people than others. ChapoTrapHouse embraces veganism far more than JordanPeterson on reddit. That's the time for truthful speech. The error is in seeing them as the other.
  14. The way he thinks that the chances lessens that that time bomb is to be realized is to reject identity politics, and focus and unite on the individual. Everyone must reject identity politics, on all sides. No more culture wars. No more tribalism. You are the Individual. You are not your "group" or your "gender" or your "race". You're the divine individual that transforms the state through truthful speech.
  15. I took up the original article and it was 30% of the ants do 70% of the work while digging tunnels. https://news.gatech.edu/2018/08/16/more-workers-working-might-not-get-more-work-done-ants-and-robots-show It depends on where you live. Some systems are better than others, some are more corrupt, like the U.S.A with all of the donors influencing politicians, etc. If you think the Pareto principle is only due to corruption and nowhere due to competence, like the grocery stores you buy your food from, then I have the good news is that it's mostly not due to corruption. Income isn't only about working hard. It's about providing value. A grocery-chain business owner provides a lot of value. Which is corruption and unfair.
  16. Well sure, but in your video you brought up that right wingers give the bad example of Socialism by mentioning Venezuela and not the good example Scandinavian countries. The reason why they're different is because one is socialism the other is social democratic. Waay different. socialistic 1. of or relating to socialists or socialism. 2. in accordance with socialism. 3. advocating or supporting socialism.
  17. Social democrats, good liberals like Richard Stallman do not hate the rich. They simply want a high standard of living for everyone. It's easy to hate the rich. I would love to do it. But what's important is that everyone receives a basic income and basic services, as soon as possible. We need income redistribution asap. The richest will pay for that. It needs to be done on a global scale, for everyone. In India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, different countries in Africa, everywhere. It's going to be a hard sell to tax Apple to give money to Bangladeshis though. So I expect first we work on this in the U.S with for instance Yang 2020 for President or in your own countries. People having a basic income and services isn't enough however. Animal welfare need to be worked on and climate change. Socialism is without Capitalism. What you're speaking of is social democracy. It's a right wingers wet dream that people confuse socialism with social democracy.
  18. Many of the Scandinavian countries are higher than the United States on Economic freedom. North Korea is at the lowest spot, and Venezuela is right before that. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
  19. Correction, it's social democratic system, not socialist system. The Scandinavian countries are social democratic. Venezuela is socialist/has socialism. The more people who confuse the two including Bernie is going to limit progress.
  20. Jordan has hundreds of hours of lectures and content in YouTube, how much have you watched? Have you read anything he's written? For instance pages out of 12 Rules for Life or Maps of Meaning?
  21. I think the context he's brought up the Pareto Principle and Marxism is when he spoke about the Communists in the Soviet Union. They stole all the land from the productive farmers and redistributed it. Since the land was given to unproductive farmers, mass starvation ensued and millions died of starvation. You can read more about the Holodomor Голодомо́р here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
  22. It's called the Pareto principle. It's been observed in many places, humans included. It also was that approx 20% of ants do 80% of the work in that study. Here you can read more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle etc
  23. So you REALLY think men and women will be banned from working together, women won't be allowed to compete, and women will be banned from wearing make-up in the workplace? Those things are nonsense and no one, and by no one I mean 99%+ of people, want that. We also live in a democracy and women have the right the vote. None of that nonsense will ever happen and you know that. You're so right. That's so true. Wow! You've said the exact same thing in multiple threads on multiple occasions. Yeah that's the logical conclusion. Might be because he's not a regressive! Yes you're right. His audience of Libertarian-Left and Libertarian-Right.
  24. One way to understand the ineffable or communicate it, is to label it as such, so clearly there is capability for understanding it in written words, and to communicate it. If there isn't a theory of everything in which the ineffable is a part of, like the describable, it is not complete.