UnbornTao

Stop thinking all the time and just relax, calm down, exercise, meditate.

I wanted to start a shared contemplation with you: What is experience?

@Growly Feel the body, allow it to be there completely, practice deep and slow breaths from the belly, relax your body. Dedicate half an hour to this practice and it should help.

I'd say both

Vernon Howard

Hey, some position that isn't entirely a fantasy or conceptual construct. It might be the case.

The ultimate enlightenment:

Yep.

"I do all my work to escape myself. I don't believe in looking into yourself. If you do this, you just discover a lot of shit. The truth is not deep in ourselves. The truth is outside." -- From his Substack newsletter.

@Breakingthewall Okey doke

@Breakingthewall Just an observation.

Sorry, I just meant you could open up in general.

Yeah, that's a good example.

"Santa" is not in the same domain as the availability of a perceptive organ, hence the comparison between humans and earthworms. If your argument is that perception is infinite, it clearly is a relative, biological function, just like a computer needs some sort of hardware to exist. I don't see how distinction relates to this discussion. Perception seems to occur as an activity, that's the claim. How do you see perception?

@Breakingthewall You could do some contemplation.

I like that one.

What's the truth of our own dysfunctional patterns? Are we our behavior? Maybe there's also something more than that to be found.

True.

Perceive what? You just wouldn't know what you are not perceiving, it seems to me. For example humans can't hear sounds outside a certain frequency range. A blind person simply doesn't have the faculty of sight -- it's not that she perceives the absence of this perceptive faculty. In her mind, there's no context in which to accurately represent or conceive of the existence of sight.

It does seem like perceptive organs, or some such, are a prerequisite for perception to occur. I wouldn't call it infinite. (I'm trying to appear humble).

We don't even know whether we, as selves, exist or not, or what our nature is.

Why doesn't the self want to look at itself? What is the nature of the entity doing the avoiding?